Latest BNP charm offensive

[Britannia]

Well, have you ever talked with one of those you despise so much ?

I despise Muslims I dont despise Africans, Asians etc. I live in an area with a large Muslim population and I have also fought alongside Africans in the army, so dont try to paint me as being ignorant of these people as I know full well what they live like.

 

[Yom]

@Brittannia: Are Greeks European enough for you, or have they had their blood too diluted with Turks' blood? What about Turks that look European, like Ataturk? I'm sure that if you saw his picture, you would think that he is European, when he is in fact Turkish (although he was born in Thessaloniki).

 

[Yom]

Is a Palestinian that says a Jew cant become a Palestinian racist? No. And neither is a Briton that says a Palestinian cant become a Briton. This is not racism this about saving our homeland.

Well, those are two different matters. A Jew cannot become a Palestinian, as being Palestinian is being of a certain ethnicity: something you cannot change. If there were a Palestinian state, however, then a Jew couild indeed become a Palestinian (as in, a citizen of the Palestinian state, although he or she cannot be ethnically Palestinian).

Therefore, an African can become British, but he or she cannot become an ethnic Briton. Likewise, a Scot, Welsh, Irishman/woman or other European can become British, but he or she cannot become an ethnic Briton.

 

[Britannia]

Saving your homeland? From the evil muslims that seem to be perfectly content living in peace in the UK?

These people do not live in peace, there were race riots a few years ago and all over the country towns and cities are being segregated. There is real racial tension in some of our cities, no go areas for whites and Muslim gangs beating up Britons for being British.

And what does this have to do with Palestinians and Jews?

I hear Liberals go on and on about how the poor Palestinians had their land stolen from them by the evil Jews and how they would blow themselves up if they were Palestinians and then go on to say in the same breath how they despise the BNP, who are fighting the invaders just as the see the Palestinians are doing, seems a bit contradictory to me.

 

[Keirador]

All British are ethnically European as are a lot of Russians.

So because Britons and Russians both come from Europe, Russians can BECOME British? Well, since Europeans and Asians both come from sub-Saharan Africa, why can't Asians become Europeans?

 

[Yom]

I hear Liberals go on and on about how the poor Palestinians had their land stolen from them by the evil Jews and how they would blow themselves up if they were Palestinians and then go on to say in the same breath how they despise the BNP, who are fighting the invaders just as the see the Palestinians are doing, seems a bit contradictory to me.

The last time I checked, immigrants to the U.K. are seeking to integrate (eventually, at least), not take over. Britons are not a stateless nation.

 

[eyrei]

These people do not live in peace, there were race riots a few years ago and all over the country towns and cities are being segregated. There is real racial tension in some of our cities, no go areas for whites and Muslim gangs beating up Britons for being British.

And your solution is kicking them out of the country? Yeah...that will help immensely...and there aren't gangs of white people beating up muslims for being muslims? I'd imagine your party secretely likes such instances at any rate, as it helps your 'cause'.

I hear Liberals go on and on about how the poor Palestinians had their land stolen from them by the evil Jews and how they would blow themselves up if they were Palestinians and then go on to say in the same breath how they despise the BNP, who are fighting the invaders just as the see the Palestinians are doing, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Invaders? I wonder if you really believe your own rhetoric. How can lawful immigrants be invaders? Did they come steal your land by force?

 

[privatehudson]

I doubt you know the man

I know enough to believe him to be deluded about politics

Europeans are whites and vice versa

Oh what fun people could have with this kind of statement. Only by sweeping judgements and a rewriting of history is this accurate.

These people do not live in peace, there were race riots a few years ago and all over the country towns and cities are being segregated

That would suggest by the same reasoning that white/British people cannot live in peace either

I hear Liberals go on and on about how the poor Palestinians had their land stolen from them by the evil Jews and how they would blow themselves up if they were Palestinians and then go on to say in the same breath how they despise the BNP, who are fighting the invaders just as the see the Palestinians are doing, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Congratulations, you win the "Most ridiculous comparison of the day" award

 

[Britannia]

@Brittannia: Are Greeks European enough for you, or have they had their blood too diluted with Turks' blood? What about Turks that look European, like Ataturk? I'm sure that if you saw his picture, you would think that he is European, when he is in fact Turkish (although he was born in Thessaloniki).

They would be judged on individual cases, the BNP would not let anyone into Britain that would challenge the racial and cultural unity of Britain.

Well, those are two different matters. A Jew cannot become a Palestinian, as being Palestinian is being of a certain ethnicity: something you cannot change. If there were a Palestinian state, however, then a Jew couild indeed become a Palestinian (as in, a citizen of the Palestinian state, although he or she cannot be ethnically Palestinian).

Exactly a Jew cannot become an ethnic Palestinian. Just as a European cannot become an ethnic African and an African cannot become an ethnic European.

Therefore, an African can become British, but he or she cannot become an ethnic Briton. Likewise, a Scot, Welsh, Irishman/woman or other European can become British, but he or she cannot become an ethnic Briton.

No, a Scot and Welshman are ethnic Britons just as an Englishman is. Now I view ethnic Britons as being one of the few sub ethnicities(sp?), if you like, of the British ethnic race, Scottish, Welsh, English etc. Now some people view these as seperate ethnic groups but even then the argument against non European immigration is the same.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Is a Palestinian that says a Jew cant become a Palestinian racist? No. And neither is a Briton that says a Palestinian cant become a Briton. This is not racism this about saving our homeland.

Well I would say yes. I'll never understand this type of thinking. Now there are separate races that couldn't 'switch' and vice-versa by definition, but the underlying implication of this and the rest of the similar posts is just hogwash. A nation is not (or should not be) made up of a single race.

I guess I'm just a mut, like most of the rest of my fellow Americans. Very few of us have an ancestory that originates in North America.

 

[Britannia]

So because Britons and Russians both come from Europe, Russians can BECOME British? Well, since Europeans and Asians both come from sub-Saharan Africa, why can't Asians become Europeans?

No Asians cant become European as they are not ethnically European, Asians are a different ethnic group completely.

And your solution is kicking them out of the country? Yeah...that will help immensely...and there aren't gangs of white people beating up muslims for being muslims? I'd imagine your party secretely likes such instances at any rate, as it helps your 'cause'.

It will help us as Britain will be a racial and culturally unified country.

Invaders? I wonder if you really believe your own rhetoric. How can lawful immigrants be invaders? Did they come steal your land by force?

They are not British therefore they are invaders into our country, they steal our houses our street and huge parts of our cities. Ok so they might not be the traditional image when you think of invaders but they are invading.

That would suggest by the same reasoning that white/British people cannot live in peace either

Some British people cant. But for Britain to be a strong country and for the British people to continued prosperity and security we must become a racially and culturally unified country.

Congratulations, you win the "Most ridiculous comparison of the day" award

I dont think so, the situations are different but the principles invlolved are the same.

 

[Britannia]

I guess I'm just a mut, like most of the rest of my fellow Americans. Very few of us have an ancestory that originates in North America.

That is why there is less racial tension in the US than in Europe because you are all recent immigrants to North America (except for the native Americans obviously).
That is why your multi cultural/multi racial society may "work", because your traditions there do not stretch back that long.

 

[Yom]

Exactly a Jew cannot become an ethnic Palestinian. Just as a European cannot become an ethnic African and an African cannot become an ethnic European.

Yes, but ethnicity and nationality are not neccessarily the same. Someone may be ethnically an Ibo, yet his loyalties and culture may lay firmly in the British realm.

No, a Scot and Welshman are ethnic Britons just as an Englishman is. Now I view ethnic Britons as being one of the few sub ethnicities(sp?), if you like, of the British ethnic race, Scottish, Welsh, English etc. Now some people view these as seperate ethnic groups but even then the argument against non European immigration is the same.

No, there are definitely enough differences between the Scottish, Welsh, and English to say that they are different ethnicities. I refer you to calgacus's thread a few days ago. There are different languages, for starters. You may point out that the cultural differences have diminished over the years so that they have become more and more like Britons; to that I would reply: exactly. Ethnicity is the final determinant of nationality. An ethnic Welsh can be a Briton, even if he is not ethnically so.

 

[eyrei]

It will help us as Britain will be a racial and culturally unified country.

To make the small number of racists in your country happy? One day you and your entire 'party' will have to face the fact that most of your country dislikes you far more than they dislike foreigners.

 

[Britannia]

Yes, but ethnicity and nationality are not neccessarily the same. Someone may be ethnically an Ibo, yet his loyalties and culture may lay firmly in the British realm.

I dont accept that an African can ever be culturally British no more than a Briton can be culturally African, there will always be differences culturally.

No, there are definitely enough differences between the Scottish, Welsh, and English to say that they are different ethnicities. I refer you to calgacus's thread a few days ago. There are different languages, for starters. You may point out that the cultural differences have diminished over the years so that they have become more and more like Britons; to that I would reply: exactly. Ethnicity is the final determinant of nationality. An ethnic Welsh can be a Briton, even if he is not ethnically so.

We speak the same language, English. Of course some Scottish/Welsh and even English nationalists try to over emphasise the differences but in reality they are slight. Nearly all of our population is Western European whether that be Celt, Norse or Saxon. And as I said before we are all part of the European ethnic group.
Also if I did accept that Scots, Englishmen and Welsh were different ethnicities then to be British you would have top be a part of one of those ethnic groups.

 

[Britannia]

To make the small number of racists in your country happy? One day you and your entire 'party' will have to face the fact that most of your country dislikes you far more than they dislike foreigners.

Despite the propagans you've heard from people like ComradeDavo the majority of British people do not dislike us, the liberal elite intellectuals might but the majority do not. Now at the moment the majority dont support us either, the majority supports our general view of immigration but are scared out of voting for us by the establishment media. That is now changing, the liberal media is now having to acknowledge the reasons why white working class people support us and in doing so they are giving us our first bits of positive media. Barring any disastrous decisions the BNP is only going in one direction form now on and that is up.

 

[Keirador]

Brittania, does the BNP, or you specifically, proudly admit to being racist? Or is there a euphemism for it in party terms?

 

[Yom]

I dont accept that an African can ever be culturally British no more than a Briton can be culturally African, there will always be differences culturally.

Not true. Look up Richard Pankhurst to see an "ethnically" white person who is by all other standards an Ethiopian. There are many Ethiopians who have done less to help our country than he has.

We speak the same language, English. Of course some Scottish/Welsh and even English nationalists try to over emphasise the differences but in reality they are slight. Nearly all of our population is Western European whether that be Celt, Norse or Saxon. And as I said before we are all part of the European ethnic group.
Also if I did accept that Scots, Englishmen and Welsh were different ethnicities then to be British you would have top be a part of one of those ethnic groups.

Why would you redefine the definition of being British just to include them? If they're not ethnically British, then why include them while excluding other non-ethnic Brits? Do you see the disrepancy and racism in that view?

 

[Keirador]

I'm not sure he objects to being racist, Yom.
(By the way, you said "our" country- are you actually Ethiopian? I guess I had assumed that you were an Ethiopian-American with an intense appreciation of your heritage.)

 

[eyrei]

Despite the propagans you've heard from people like ComradeDavo the majority of British people do not dislike us, the liberal elite intellectuals might but the majority do not. Now at the moment the majority dont support us either, the majority supports our general view of immigration but are scared out of voting for us by the establishment media. That is now changing, the liberal media is now having to acknowledge the reasons why white working class people support us and in doing so they are giving us our first bits of positive media. Barring any disastrous decisions the BNP is only going in one direction form now on and that is up.

Enjoy your fantasy then...