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Leader Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kmart_Elvis, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [9]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [19+1=20] First to have spies, better spies, more spies, increased diplomatic visibility (and increased combat bonus against them), and all sorts of fun stuff
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [10]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [14]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    22. Pericles - Surrounded by Glory. [2-1=ELIMINATED] No longer surrounded by glory
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [23]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [25]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
  2. SammyKhalifa

    SammyKhalifa Warlord

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [24-3=21] Sounds like the name of a bad metal band.
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [9]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [10]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [14]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [23]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [25+1=26] Sounds like the name of a sweet metal band.
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
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  3. Carbon_Coded

    Carbon_Coded Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [21]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [9]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [10-3 = 7] Killing city-states is not viable in 90% of games.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [14]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [23+1= 24] Great Ability. Synergises well with the civ ability and doesnt lock you into any sort of playstyle. Fun to use aswell.
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [23]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
  4. marcopolothefraud

    marcopolothefraud Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [21+1=22] Conquering can easily drain your amenities, and having no war weariness is immensely useful.
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [9]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [7]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [14-3=11] Culture bombing is kinda useless, and the faith bonus is nice but not awesome.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [23]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
  5. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [9-3=6] IMO not useful at all.
    • Outclassed by Curtin's ability
    • Districts can and should be easily built with chopping in cities where this boost will save more than a few turns.
    • Building a Nubian pyramid is finicky because deserts suck.
    • Deserts suck so much that even with the increased boost you'll have less production in most cases.
    • The 40% boost only makes districts 29% cheaper.
    • Districts only contribute to 20% or less of my total production. This makes the ability equivalent in time saved to a 5% global production boost (Curtin gives an easily achieved 100% boost)
    • Even if you get a lot of 40% boosts, it's still <10% overall and completely outclassed
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [7]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [23+1=24] This alone wins games.
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
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  6. TomKQT

    TomKQT Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [6-3 = 3] I'm having my first game with her right now and I'm not really happy with the ability. I managed to get +40% in my capital, but not in any other city (no deserts, or no deserts next to a suitable tile for city placement). Plus the desert tile in the capital of course comes with more desert tiles around it, making the location less good. And 20 % district production bonus is nice, but not great.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [7+1 = 8] I still think he should stay a little bit longer on the list. Not for the CS attack bonus, but for the policy card. Policy slot, even the military one, is like a flexible bonus, because you can choose whichever card you need at the moment - which is better than a constant bonus that may be of no use for long times. Yes, I know, it's not a wildcard slot, it's not an economic slot. But even miliary cards are usefull, there are some nice +100%/+50% production cards, there are cards that can safe you a lot of money, cards that increase combat strength, a card that gives +1 movement to all units, cards that give amenities/loyalty, a card that gives science, a card that gives bonus production for spacerace projects etc. It's not just about war!
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
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  7. AmazonQueen

    AmazonQueen Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [ 3]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [ 8-3=5] - The bonus vs city states is meh, the military card by itself doesn't compare.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [21+1=22] - Solid abilities useful in every game.
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26]
     
  8. sadsquid

    sadsquid Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [ 3]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [20-3=17] - Not that impactful. Spies aren't very good anyway, and the extra diplo visibility isn't that important either.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [5]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [26+1=27] - One of my favourite bonuses in the game. Benefits you from turn 1 giving you a head start with culture (and continuing boosts every time you build a city), and lets you use the production on something else instead.
     
  9. WillowBrook

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [ 3+1=4] Freddy, Harald, and Jadwiga should all go first.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [17]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [5-3=2] Should go next.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
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  10. Weraptor

    Weraptor Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [4-3=1] Should go first, actually.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [17]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [2+1=3] You are underrating an extra policy slot right outta the gate too much.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
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  11. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [1] - Great for me as a non-chopper, but with one last point, I won't bother with saving it, and I'll simply accept its fall. Even if it's too soon...
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [17]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    7. Frederick Barbarossa - Holy Roman Empire. [3-3=0] - (ELIMINATED) Should Amanitore's bonus fall, so be it. I might disagree, but I can't save it. So I'll at least kill something I consider weaker. I often struggle to fill all the military policies, especially in later era, so adding yet another one doesn't make a big difference to me. I oppose attacking CS, and even if I attack one, I simply crush their small armies. His bonuses help mainly in military affairs, but my playstyle is almost always peaceful.
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [28+1=29] - I haven't upvoted this sweet bonus yet, so I guess it's time.
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [24]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
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  12. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22]
    2. Amanitore - Kandake of Meroë. [ELIMINATED] - What production potential you do have should be chopped into Pitati archers with Apogee who should seek more productive (non desert) areas with districts your opponent has already built for you. Both of these makes the bonus even less relevant.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [17]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25] (24+1) --- Once I get to mercenaries and build a few knight corps, I find I can successfully war for the rest of the game. Normal knights run into a spot in the mid game against city garrisons. Shaka's do not. Very powerful, as one doesn't have to wait for cavalry (military science) to carry on with warring.
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]

    PS, It looks as though Saladin was inadvertently deleted on Wednesday. I have placed him back in with the last score.
     
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  13. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [22+1=23] No war weariness saves you a lot with amenities and removes a major obstacle to conquering.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [17]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [11-3=8] Three small bonuses to religion, but even together they don't do much. Conversion by culture bomb is situational, plus the cities can get converted back via AI missionary spam. Adjacency bonus is small, and doesn't add up until later. Relics are dependent on getting St. Michel and the Reliquaries belief doesn't affect it.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  14. Jkchart

    Jkchart Chieftain

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23] No war weariness saves you a lot with amenities and removes a major obstacle to conquering.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [18] [17+1=18] I've got to defend this one after just playing her. Spies are really useful, and her spies are killer. I was the master of gaining money, sabotage, and stealing art on my way to a culture victory, and that +3 combat (at least!) from the extra diplo visibility is great for invasions. Underrated ability, IMO.
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [13]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [5] [8-3=5] I like the ability, but yeah it's not super game-changing and it's probably the weakest here of what is left.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [26]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  15. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Disable emotion chip

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [18]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [21]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10] = [13-3]. Raiding coast tiles is nice but how many melee ships do you need?
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [5]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [27] = [26+1]. Being able to heal on kills is amazing. The +5 vs damaged units is nice too.
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  16. Navelgazer

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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [18]
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [22] (21 + 1) Giving this another bump. Now these are useful faith bonuses.
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [2] (5 - 3) An odd and somewhat awkward collection of minor religious bonuses. The playstyle niche it kind of demands is interesting, but it's outclassed by the remaining abilities here.
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [27]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  17. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [18+1=19] This is great for many different gameplay styles, even domination; good thing this ability was buffed indirectly in R&F
    4. Chandragupta - Arthashastra. [22]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [22]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    15. Jadwiga - Lithuanian Union. [2-1=ELIMINATED] The ability isn't really good
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [27]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  18. Weraptor

    Weraptor Chieftain

    Joined:
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    Messages:
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    Gender:
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    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [22+1=23] I just love the early pantheon aspect of this one.
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [24-3=21] Probably the weakest one remaining.
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [27]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  19. Siptah

    Siptah Eternal Chieftain

    Joined:
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    Messages:
    3,609
    Location:
    Lucerne
    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23]
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [23]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [21]
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary. [23-3=20] It's not bad and helps against barbarians. However, it's also not that useful since the AI sucks at tactics and +5 CS makes fighting even more feeling like cheating...
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [28+1] By far the best ability when the game was released. Even after the nerf, it is among the best.
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     
  20. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Chieftain

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    What a shame I couldn't take down Amanitore myself. Good riddance!

    1. Alexander- To The World's End. [23+1=24] Comes with a very strong unique unit.
    3. Catherine - Catherine's Flying Squadron. [19]
    6. Cyrus - Fall of Babylon. [24]
    9. Genghis Khan - Mongol Horde. [24]
    11. Gitarja - Goddess of the Three Worlds. [23]
    12. Gorgo - Thermopylae. [24]
    13. Harald Hardrada - Thunderbolt of the North. [10]
    14. Hojo Tokimune - Divine Wind. [22]
    17. John Curtin - Citadel of Civilization. [21]
    19. Montezuma - Gifts for the Tlatoani. [29]
    25. Poundmaker - Favorable Terms. [24]
    26. Qin Shi Huang - The First Emperor. [26]
    28. Saladin - Righteousness of the Faith. [21-3=18] Not really any better than Frederick's ability, cheaper worship buildings can also help the ai and requires religious investment to utilise.
    30. Shaka - Amabutho. [25]
    32. Teddy Roosevelt - Roosevelt Corollary.[20]
    33. Tomyris - Killer of Cyrus. [29]
    34. Trajan - Trajan's Column. [27]
     

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