Least Used Civic

[Desert-Fox]

I would type here Environmentalism but UN forces me to use it... so the winner would be State Property. While I try to use atleast 2 corporations(Mining Inc and Sushi State Property would just cancel their values).

 

[Angst]

never use vassalage anymore, bureacracy is commonly much better IMHO

 

[FoolFromHell]

Well if you discount the first 30 turns of the game, my least used civic is Tribalism.

Haha.
Touche!

 

[King Flevance]

Running Bureaucracy at the same time as Slavery can also be bad for revolts since they seem to mostly happen in your capital. Maybe Firaxis was trying to curb the power on both civics.

I'm not sure I've ever seen or experienced a slave revolt occur anywhere other than a capital.

These are both good points on that matter. All I know is I have had revolts that have made a pretty big dent in my economy when they popped up.

From what I have been able to gather, I think that if you have alot of faces over ones, you are less likely to have a revolt. But I don't know for sure. All I know is all of my slave revolts have happened at = give or take 1-2 difference.

 

[Frostyboy]

Great Poll

I never use Environmentalism as I see it profitalbe to chop down all the forests. I find it surprising though that Pacifism goes as number 3 here. I never play Philosophical without going for this civic.

 

[Tekee]

I like Nationalism is how played out, the happiness is retty cool
But I neevr ever use Police State, I don't know why I understand why it is usful but always tought that having the extra happiness of Representation and Hereditary is much better
come to think of it I rarely use anything but Hereditary or representation

 

[Frostyboy]

If you play a leader bent on war and build the pyraimids (having stone and/or being industrious), adapting a polic state early can give good results. +25% mil.units production is pretty awsome if that's what you mainly produce. You can always switch to something else at peace (her.rule gives all your units a good role)

 

[dragodon64]

I voted nationalism, because it comes only just before free speech, which is infinitely better. I'm not surprised that environmentalism is #1, but serfdom is #2? It's low maintenance, mildly helpful and well... that's it. Does everyone have some sort of slavery addiction or something. I hardly ever have enough food to sacrifice pop and I have tons of production. However I would like to do something with all those unhappy citizens

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

I have a Caste System addiction (unless I am at war). I hate Slavery.

 

[cthom]

slavery. it used to be pacifism but i'm learning to like it.

 

[Desert-Fox]

Pacifism is weak, you have no maintance but if you have no troops then you get killed. If you have enough troops to defend yourself Pacifism will kill you. If you are on alone island... no montezuma, ragnar, boudica in game then maybe... also settler level is required.

 

[Diamondeye]

Not entirely ontopic; Frosty, gratz with post 1000

 

[Kesshi]

Pacifism is weak, you have no maintance but if you have no troops then you get killed. If you have enough troops to defend yourself Pacifism will kill you. If you are on alone island... no montezuma, ragnar, boudica in game then maybe... also settler level is required.

Desert-Fox,

Did you see the game where somebody played as Gandhi on Emperor and built zero military units? I think the only military unit he had was his initial warrior, which went into the capital, after exploring, where he remained the entire game. He won the game, too. Pretty impressive, if you ask me!

Not every game needs to be about a hefty military force. In fact, many of the games I've won have been where I was involved in zero wars, and I usually play Monarch or Emperor. When you are in good graces of your neighbours, and planning for a peaceful win, Pacifism makes for a great civic paired up with Representation and Mercantilism. But, like all other civics, there is a time to use it and a time not to use it.

 

[GT_OKEZ]

I find I can still have a good size military and adopt Pacificism . I really don't notice major costs for Pacificsm and since it has no upkeep it balances out .

 

[jkp1187]

jkp1187,

If the maintenance costs scale with map size, do they take into account the fewer cities one will build on a smaller map? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Working under the assumption I am correct, if the distance cost were between 1 and 11 gold per city on the other side of the world, and I had 20 cities, that's 20 cities time 5 average, or 100 gold distance maintenance. Where as if you had the same distance cost but now you're on a larger map with 40 cities, that's now 200 gold distance maintenance. That is, assuming that maintenance costs scale for distance, but do not take into account the fact that fewer cities need to/can exists on a smaller map. Does anybody know if this is correct or not?

EDIT: See this thread for a discussion:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=138473&highlight=maintenance+costs+scale

Of course, this thread is apparently about vanilla civ, and there were some adjustments since then, but it's worth a read...

Specifically, see here.

city upkeep is related to map size.
i just checked WorldSize.xml file and found there're different upkeep discounts on different map sizes.
so i guess it would be easier to analyze city upkeep by modifying map size discount to 100%

(Sorry, enough thread hijacking from me on this, just wanted to make sure the question was addressed....)

 

[The Menace]

Either Serfdom or Environmentalism, voted Environmentalism

 

[CHEESE!]

lol- emacipation!

jk.

I say.. Pacifism (when NOT philo leader) or Enviro.

 

[Your Father]

damn communism-no state property!

 

[Figaro]

I usually use almost all in a given game, at some point at least, but often only because there's no other choice (e.g. Organised Religion I largely use because it's the only non-military option before Pacifism, similar with Buearocracy). Also many traits I'll only use in conjunction with each other... so Police State+Nationhood (or Vassalage)+Theocracy will (rarely) be side-to-side with Representation>Free Speech/whatever.

 

[Rathelon]

Serfdom for me. Cant believe Environmentalism has the most votes. I always use Environmentalism for the health boosts.