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- Jan 26, 2008
we can start by not jailing victims w/o evidence that directly supports doing so.So getting very concerned about DV equal treatment by gender in the justice system has a sort of wilful blindness to the significant proximal issue.
and funny to use rate statistics when convenient. you disregarded the sentencing gap, though i'm sure you wouldn't mind pointing it out when it's racial, despite that one being less pronounced. i will accept this if you are willing to disregard this type of evidence going forward!
"x population commits greatly disproportionate percentage of crime" --> where have we heard this argument before? it sounds awfully familiar! if it wasn't valid then, why is it valid now i wonder? didn't many posters here call that exact rationale discriminatory/racist in other contexts?Intimate partner murder has a ratio of about 10:1 in the direction you expect by gender.
though if you now accept that as valid, okay. it still cannot justify punishing the innocent.
there are practically no men's shelters. do you think that's interesting? i think that's interesting, when people cry discrimination. maybe if the existence of shelters and easier restraining orders results in a decline of murder rate by the gender involved in addition to murder rate of the gender involved, we should expect more than a handful of men's shelters across the entire country? having a decline in male murder of intimate partners by 3/4 sounds pretty useful, if we consider this to be a causal factor (which seems reasonable, it's harder to murder someone you can't access).Also while looking around I learned that since about 1975 - 2010ish female murder of intimate partners in the US has declined by maybe about 3/4 and its thought that womens shelters, restraining orders etc were maybe the cause. Do you think thats interesting? I thought that was interesting.
the warped stats in intimate partner murder is misleading. men are more likely to be murdered than women, on average. however, they are also way more likely to murder in general, and thus when a woman is murdered the criminal is more likely to be a man.