Legalize Prostitution? How about a pimp tax?

[Marshy]

I still think the "black market" of prositution will remain.

I agree with this. Apart from the cost aspect it is unlikely that legal prostitutes would be allowed to engage in certain sexual practices. In particular I am thinking of sex without condoms. There would probably still be a black market for such things.

However I still believe that legalising prostitution would improve the current situation. As you observe PrinceOfLeigh it would be unlikely to be a cure-all.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

And I don't think most men would choose a cheaper alternative that may infect them with STD's and get them a heafty prison sentance when they could go to a legal brothel and be mostly free from those kind of worrys.

People visit prositutes now and take the risk of STD and jail why not later. I admit that it's likely to be a reduced "black market" but a black market it will be.

Plus, you have to remember that pimps, gangs and woman trafficers are doing so for profit, and they are going to be acessing the risk and potential gain when deciding whether to go ahead with their illegal activities, and what i'm proposing would stakc the odds greatly against them, particuarly if you take into account that extra tax money from legal brothels = extra spending for pilice to combat crime.

I'm not so sure that the pimps, gangs and traffikers would suddenly become tax paying citizens.

Is there anyone from the Netherlands who can tell us if illegal prosititution is a problem. If so, how is it dealt with?

 

[ComradeDavo]

People visit prositutes now and take the risk of STD and jail why not later. I admit that it's likely to be a reduced "black market" but a black market it will be.

Well, I just thinking that given the 2 options people will most likely go for the legal choice.

I'm not so sure that the pimps, gangs and traffikers would suddenly become tax paying citizens.

I'm not saying they would, more that they will be forced to scale down and that hopefully it would make people trafficking non-profitable and thus not worth their criminal while.

Plus FredLC's point is a good one! Legal pimps and brothels would be more than happy to help bust the illegal ones.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

@ Comrade Davo
I agree with all you say. I just think that legalisation is a way to reduce, not irradicate the problem. I'm still unsure of a solution which would satisfy all those in the sex trade debate.

Perhaps not the best choice of wording there.

 

[MamboJoel]

What's the fetish with taxing everything after legalizing it?

Hehe Good point !
On a side note, in France where prostitution is illegal, we have civil servants spying the prostitues, recording the working hours and addressing them income tax. Vive la France

 

[ComradeDavo]

@ Comrade Davo
I agree with all you say. I just think that legalisation is a way to reduce, not irradicate the problem. I'm still unsure of a solution which would satisfy all those in the sex trade debate.

Perhaps not the best choice of wording there.

Yes, I agree that it probably won't irradicate the problem, however i'm not sure if the problem can actually be irradicated! Thus I go for the next best thing, to try and reduce it by as much as possiable.

 

[Veritass]

I think it depends on what you identify as "the problem." Is the problem that:

• The government is not doing enough to stop prostitution?
• The government is not doing enough to stop fornication?
• Men are all dogs and want to cheat with someone?
• Women need to give it up more at home to keep men from cheating?
• People are having sex outside of marriage?
• Prostitutes have a high incidence of sexually-transmitted diseases?
• Prostitutes are in a low-power position and abused by pimps?
• Prostitutes are being imported as slaves from other countries?
• Only radioactive monkeys should be prostitutes?

There are different "solutions" available depending on what you think is the problem.

 

[ComradeDavo]

I think it depends on what you identify as "the problem." Is the problem that:

• The government is not doing enough to stop prostitution?
• The government is not doing enough to stop fornication?
• Men are all dogs and want to cheat with someone?
• Women need to give it up more at home to keep men from cheating?
• People are having sex outside of marriage?
• Prostitutes have a high incidence of sexually-transmitted diseases?
• Prostitutes are in a low-power position and abused by pimps?
• Prostitutes are being imported as slaves from other countries?
• Only radioactive monkeys should be prostitutes?

There are different "solutions" available depending on what you think is the problem.

Of those I see these 2 as the major 'bad issues'

[*]Prostitutes are in a low-power position and abused by pimps?
[*]Prostitutes are being imported as slaves from other countries?

STD's can be seen as sympton of those as well, because obviosuly in those conditions condoms are less likely to be used and tests unlikely to be taken and thus STD's spread.

I se ethose as the worst because often woman are being brought into the UK from elsewhere under the illusion that they are being found work or education only to find themselves becoming sex slaves.

I don't care if a man cheats on his wife with a willing woman, thats not my buisness. But i do care when someone is forced to do things against their will and held as a slave.

 

[.Shane.]

I'm not so sure that the pimps, gangs and traffikers would suddenly become tax paying citizens.

No, the consumer will drive this market. If you were a potential john, would you rather go to a licensed brothel and A. have a lower risk of STD and B. have no risk of being arrested or would you rather pay an illegal pros? Sure, it'll still be there, but not like today.

I don't care if a man cheats on his wife with a willing woman, thats not my buisness. But i do care when someone is forced to do things against their will and held as a slave.

This is why if its legalized it would be a lot more out in the open. Therefore the likelihood of sex slavery would decrease substantially. Not that in the US that's a big problem in the first place.

 

[ComradeDavo]

This is why if its legalized it would be a lot more out in the open. Therefore the likelihood of sex slavery would decrease substantially. Not that in the US that's a big problem in the first place.

It's probably a bigger problem than you realise. The scale of it has been highlighted in the UK recently by a couple of TV dramas and the media casting it's eye towards it. Alot of people have been surprised by the level of the problem.....it's one of those things people like to imagine doesn't happen.

 

[GenMarshall]

Since when are you the king of sex? Since when do you get to choose what sex should and shouldn't be? Since when do you have a right to force you religon on others though law, even if they don't share it?

Do you believe that talking about morally is wrong? If so, then why is it alright for you to share that, but not for me to share what I hold to be morally truth?

Realy, I am not imposing my morals on anyone. They are God's morals and infact, they are objective laws tied up in matter and inseperable from matter as much as the laws of physics. They are therefore true and they are the path to true freedom.

"Truth is absolute. There is not my truth and your truth. There is just truth.
Morality is absolute. There is not my morality and your morality. There is morality and immorality." - Annonomous Catholic

 

[tomsnowman123]

"Truth is absolute. There is not my truth and your truth. There is just truth.
Morality is absolute. There is not my morality and your morality. There is morality and immorality." - Annonomous Catholic

Actually, there is your morality and my morality. Case in point: this thread.

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

Do you believe that talking about morally is wrong? If so, then why is it alright for you to share that, but not for me to share what I hold to be morally truth?

Realy, I am not imposing my morals on anyone. They are God's morals and infact, they are objective laws tied up in matter and inseperable from matter as much as the laws of physics. They are therefore true and they are the path to true freedom.

"Truth is absolute. There is not my truth and your truth. There is just truth.
Morality is absolute. There is not my morality and your morality. There is morality and immorality." - Annonomous Catholic

Whos God? Yours?


This is a country of men, not of gods and therefore the people are subject to the laws of men and not to the laws of gods (not that they can't overlap). Your God will ensure that you get your just rewards\punishments after death right? So why do you care if others do things that are immoral during life? You seem to want to punish people for doing immoral things. Are you God?

 

[Bozo Erectus]

My lawyer, Phil T. Hoowah, says that it should be legalized, thats good enough for me.

 

[Paradigne]

Whos God? Yours?

Um no the pink fuzzy god of elves - silly question

This is a country of men, not of gods and therefore the people are subject to the laws of men and not to the laws of gods (not that they can't overlap).

And MAN'S LAW says it is illegal.

Your God will ensure that you get your just rewards\punishments after death right? So why do you care if others do things that are immoral during life? You seem to want to punish people for doing immoral things. Are you God?

Yes, he is God, and you have been smitten... er smoted... um yeah.Punishing people by not letting them get young girls hooked on drugs so they will sell their bodies for a crack rock??? Oh I'm sure not all removed by moderation are drug addicts, but I bet it is a VERY high precent

 

[Fugitive Sisyphus]

Um no the pink fuzzy god of elves - silly question

"Whos God?" was a rhetorical question thats purpose was to remind that there are many religions that each have their own view of God. I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer because it seems to have blown over your head.

And MAN'S LAW says it is illegal.

That is circular logic (a fallacy). It makes no sense to rationalize that something should be illegal because it is illegal. If that were the case than laws would never change.

Yes, he is God, and you have been smitten... er smoted... um yeah.Punishing people by not letting them get young girls hooked on drugs so they will sell their bodies for a crack rock??? Oh I'm sure not all removed by moderation are drug addicts, but I bet it is a VERY high precent

Huh? I think this an example of the use of irrational emotion to replace logic. What does drug use and prostitution have to do with each other. Prostitution does not cause drug use and drug use does not cause prostitution. Girls could pay for drugs by becomming a prostitute just as they could with any other job.


BTW what is with all the red?

 

[FredLC]

Moderator Action: Ok, this is the second time I have to edit out language from this thread. I do not want to have to do it for a third time, either from someone's rant or from someone else quoting that rant.

Anyone refering to people selling their bodies will do well to use the term "prostitute", not any other which is graphical and judgemental of the practise - and I think it is clear enough what I mean.

Warned.

 

[CaptainF]

And MAN'S LAW says it is illegal.

Not so fast. Its legal in certain Nevada counties, and I do believe its legal in Germany.

 

[FredLC]

It's legal in Brazil as well. Only pimping is illegal here.

 

[Paradigne]

I apologize FredLC, I hinestly didn't think the biblical term as unethical...

To think that prostitution and drugs do not go together hand in hand is either ignorant or just wishful thinking. How can you see women willing to do 'Monica's' for $5 at the corner store and NOT consider it drug related?