Lets set up a PBEM!

[Genghis_Kai]

This is complicated. To have all these nations play by just 4 of us, either some of us will play more than one sessions within each day, or that the scenario needs to be reworked so that each group will be listed together.

I can give a look to see if it is worth spending time to line the teams. In the meantime, can all of you please make sure you are upgraded to BTS 3.1.7, GEM 5.1 and NOTHING else within GEM?

I am hoping we can start a game tonight (that is, 6 hours from now).

 

[Genghis_Kai]

Guys, I have just checked out the amount of work involved to reorder the civ. I estimate it will take 1-2 hours. I think it is worthwhile if we are definitely going to have a game, very soon.

This is my suggested order, please check and comment:

Old New Nation
0 0 Germany
1 1 Italy
10 2 Hungary
9 3 Finland

22 4 Japan
21 5 Manchuria
19 6 Thailand

5 7 Spain
6 8 Portugal
8 9 Sweden
17 10 Iran
14 11 Saudi Arabia
16 12 Iraq
13 13 Turkey

12 14 Russia
20 15 Mongolia

23 16 China

3 17 France
7 18 Norway
4 19 Netherland
11 20 Greece

2 21 Britain
15 22 Egypt
18 23 India
24 24 South Africa
25 25 Australia
26 26 New Zealand
28 27 Canada

27 28 America
29 29 Mexico
30 30 Colombia
31 31 Peru
32 32 Brazil
33 33 Argentina
34 34 Chile

35 35 Minor Nations
40 40 Barbarian States

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Looks good. I suppose you don't plan that each of the four human players is playing the whole stack? Having the whole western hemisphere at my disposal seems fairly strong.

Also if we are playing several nations, we should come up with a rule about city gifting and/or "conquering your team".

 

[Ace of Spades]

Although I dont't like the idea of FFA quite that much, I guess I can live with it. Most important thing is to get it started I think, and if you rather want to play FFA, FFA it is.

Best Regards,
Ace

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Btw. should I try to find a Russia player on the german forums? I think our chances are quite good to find one.

 

[Genghis_Kai]

Btw. should I try to find a Russia player on the german forums? I think our chances are quite good to find one.

Well if you could find one more player, PLEASE DO SO!

I am just arranging it this way so that enables more combination possibilities. One doesn't have to play the whole stack.

While I am doing the conversion, you guys can think about how we can allocate 4 roughly equal groups. I suppose it is going to be Axis, Russia, Britain and America, but you guys can discuss the members of each group.

 

[Bastian-Bux]

OK, I've placed an add. I worded it that we are looking for a player for Russia/Commintern or maybe Japan (depends on Josh's choice I think ^^).

If we play with 4 slots I'd suggest the following:

- Axis plays Germany, Italy, Japan, Hungary, Finnland, Manchuria and Thailand (0-6)
- Russia plays Russia, China and Mongolia (14-16)
- Commintern plays UK, France, Netherlands, Greece and all the commonwealth (17-27)
- USA plays USA and basically all of the Americas except Canada (28-34)
- Independent states would be Spain to Turkey only (7-13)

If we find a fifth player I'd suggest the following split

- Axis plays Germany, Italy, Hungary and Finnland, (0-3)
- Japan plays Japan, Manchuria and Thailand (4-6)
- Russia plays Russia and Mongolia (15-16)
- Commintern plays UK and all the commonwealth (21-27)
- USA plays USA and central america (including Colombia) (28-30)
- Independent states would be Spain to China (7-14), France to Greece (17-20) and South America (31-34)

What do you think?

 

[Genghis_Kai]

OK, I've placed an add. I worded it that we are looking for a player for Russia/Commintern or maybe Japan (depends on Josh's choice I think ^^).

If we play with 4 slots I'd suggest the following:

- Axis plays Germany, Italy, Japan, Hungary, Finnland, Manchuria and Thailand (0-6)
- Russia plays Russia, China and Mongolia (14-16)
- Commintern plays UK, France, Netherlands, Greece and all the commonwealth (17-27)
- USA plays USA and basically all of the Americas except Canada (28-34)
- Independent states would be Spain to Turkey only (7-13)

If we find a fifth player I'd suggest the following split

- Axis plays Germany, Italy, Hungary and Finnland, (0-3)
- Japan plays Japan, Manchuria and Thailand (4-6)
- Russia plays Russia and Mongolia (15-16)
- Commintern plays UK and all the commonwealth (21-27)
- USA plays USA and central america (including Colombia) (28-30)
- Independent states would be Spain to China (7-14), France to Greece (17-20) and South America (31-34)

What do you think?

Wow, that's a lot of civs we control
The 5 player list seems ok to me, but the 4 player list seems a bit too much. Especially putting Russia and China, UK and France together is not so realistic. For the first case, Japan has to fight Russia and China at the same time; for the second case, France can't sign a armistice with Germany.

P.S. Have been doing more than 500 search and replace in the last hour. About only 1/3 to go.

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Well remember, in a 4 player Japan would't fight Russia and China alone ... Germany would get its bites from Russia at the russian westfront.

But yeah, 5 players would fit much better.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I am deeply worried about tech if we create such large teams. We will possibly have nukes within about 7 turns then.

Kai, can you do something about that? I'd say we multiply tech costs by a factor of 5 or 10, since the flow of time (1 Month per Turn) is really detailed.

As it is now, a single Civ would need about 10-15 turns to get a new tech if they research properly. If you put five of them together in a team, it will only take 4 or 5 turns - especially with teams like "all the Axis" or "Commonwealth, France + Netherlands".

Best Regards,
Ace

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Yeah, tech speed is to quick anyway, and the factor of 5-10 hits it pretty well. Heck, I was able to run through the tech tree with India by 1948.

 

[Genghis_Kai]

I am deeply worried about tech if we create such large teams. We will possibly have nukes within about 7 turns then.

Kai, can you do something about that? I'd say we multiply tech costs by a factor of 5 or 10, since the flow of time (1 Month per Turn) is really detailed.

As it is now, a single Civ would need about 10-15 turns to get a new tech if they research properly. If you put five of them together in a team, it will only take 4 or 5 turns - especially with teams like "all the Axis" or "Commonwealth, France + Netherlands".

Best Regards,
Ace

We don't have to use permanent allies so there won't be sharing tech research. And remember we have no tech trade enabled.

Changing research rate is a global setting. If we want to change it, all of us have to change it in the mod.

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Then I'd suggest either x10 research cost and permanent allies (and thus tech sharing) or x5 and no permanent alliances.

 

[Genghis_Kai]

OK. the scenario is ready. What shall we do?

 

[Bastian-Bux]

Well, someone showed up at the german civforums, his name is borgg, hope he'll join in as a fifth player.

 

[borgg]

hey,
here i am. I'd like to participate .

 

[borgg]

so me again, i briefly run over the thread. The concept looks good. I will put larger comments and questions tonight (tonight based on germany time gmt+1 ).

 

[Genghis_Kai]

hey,
here i am. I'd like to participate .

Great!

So shall we try:

1) Germany, Italy, Hungary
2) Japan, Manchuria and Thailand
3) Russia and Mongolia
4) Britain, India, Australia, Canada
5) America and Mexico

Player 1 (GMT 1300 - 1800)
Player 2 (GMT 1800 - 2300)
Player 3 (GMT 2300 - 0330)
Player 4 (GMT 0330 - 0830)
Player 5 (GMT 0830 - 1300)

Since the order has changed, I wonder whether you guys want to pick another player. I will be Player 1

 

[borgg]

Due i Work and need to sleep in the night i have a strict window where i can make my moves. This is Between 1800-2400 german time and 0600-0800 in the morning.Acutally german time is GMT+2 in summer i've seen, starting from october its only GMT+1). Apart from that i am open to any place in the list.

 

[Genghis_Kai]

borgg, seems like you can be either player 2 or 4 then.

Everyone, just a summary of rules:
FFA. Start with the default setting and diplomacy. No permanent allies, no tech trade. No gift cities among your own civs through diplomacy.

Let's not change the tech research rate. It is set this way for a reason (no one would like to do research if takes more than 100 turn to complete one tech).

Each of us shall complete and submit their turn within the allocated time period. But if one finish early, please email it to the next player earlier.