Lets stop dropping land mines (or any bombs at all)

[Dell19]

Originally posted by Juize

My knowledge of situation is very limited. That's exactly why I don't talk what I don't know.

Hehehehehehe :crazyeyes

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by vega


Sorry for my english, but i have to say that:

Im NOT an stupid anti american guy, but you must think a little bit rational and not in the style "Oh my god, God bless America...."

Didn't say you should be.

You believe that what you said, really?? Germany: the reason for your efforts in my country was the cold war, germany was a very nice wall against the evil communism.

It seems quite a lot of europeans need a real history lesson, they have let the rivisionists run wild.
This is all fact, you can look it up if you like.
The USSR proposed at Yalta, and tried to carry out, a plan that would have kept Germany a totally aggarian nation (It means NO industry or cities, only farms), and to occupy it in perpetuity, because deutchland had been the aggressor in 2 world wars.
US economics and Industry needed NOTHING from Germany or anyone else in 1945-55 period, all it did was in an altruistic nature.
The Marshall plan (which laid the foundation for the rebuilding of your homeland) was not designed to so that the USA would have a "balkwork" against communism, that came later.
And it would be nice if you remembered that US servicemen kept the people of Berlin alive in 1947 by flying in food in the face of a Soviet blockade.
Germany and Japan made remarkable strides from this beginning, all on their own, but they WOULD NOT without the USA first "picking them up and dusting them off" so to speak.

And than there was an economical interest. And, located in germany, there is a large radarstation, official because the cold war and so on, but that ****ing station is also very nice for spying out europe companies.

As you now see, that all came later.
Let me be clear, in case it's not.
Germany's revival from 1955 to the present time was all it's own, but the bases was laid by the USA in 1945-55, for humanitarian reasons, not to gain advantages.
Thos ecame later, when Germany became a partner again, and stood forth as a nation.
Please do not insult the people who helped you get where you are, even if it was only a start.

South Korea: wall against communism

This was the test bed for the United Nations, not just the USA.
The Soviets built tanks, the USA built industry.
Now, the Koreans need never fear a hostile invasion again.

Japan: China (communism) is knocking on the door, you see?

It wasn't when the programs for reconstruction began.
China didn't go completly red tll 1948

Kuwait: the one and only reason was: OIL

Nonsense.
A simplistic and insulting answer.
In point of fact, the USA imports little oil from this region, it's Japan and Europe that are the major users.
The USA had treaty obligations to Kuwait and Saudi arabia.

If the US was so "oil oriented" as many foolishly suggest, they would have simply occupied the shat el arab and pumpped to their hearts's content.
This didn't happen.

Israel: Your economy is controlled by jews, they are damn good business men, but thats the reason for your commitment there.

This is a statment that smacks of racism, you better go edit this, BEFORE I lose my temper.

and so on, there are always own interests....and in afghanistan....the US commitment there is so embarassing and stupid, no political concept, but bombs and bred, lol..god bless afghanistan....god bless the world

Hmm, seems I was giving you to much credit.
It now looks like your quite ignorant.

AND: dont watch CNN, thats the greatest propagandistic programm after the wochenschau, really

I haven't in years, waste of time.
Only the BBC is worse.

 

[The Balrog]

Originally posted by Graeme the mad
Does no one else here object to the bombing of afghanistan?
THERE IS NO POINT TO IT.
THe only thing it does is make things very very slightly easier for our soldiers - but only very slightly: they are not even bombing the taliban front lines.
The Us and britain are too scared to send in soldiers in any large number when these will get the job done alot better than any bombs. This is a real worry since it show how much they really do care for afghan civilians - sh1t all.
Cluster bombs are just landmines dropped from the air, lots of civilians have been killed by normal bombs and on top of this very little aid is being dropped. I realise that civilians must die in a war - Im not one of these lets not go to war ever people. What I do object to is civilians dying without reason: with the money going into this bombing so many food parcels could be dropped from the air - preferably with instructions in the languages spoken in afghanistan.

I realise that no one is allowed to say this in the US but im in Britain so its okay - the president is an idiot and this great war against terrorism is one very huge, ill thought out shambles.

I agree with you in everything you say, and i also agree with håka/on about what he thinks the American flag stands for.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by El Présidenté


I agree with you in everything you say, and i also agree with håka/on about what he thinks the American flag stands for.

Well goody for you, and you must be estacic, for they say:

"Ignorence is bliss."

 

[The Balrog]

You have a right to a opinion, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

 

[Mikoyan]

You have a right to a opinion, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

Yeah, not on some forums and chats though, where you can be banned for saying the wrong things!
REMEMBER MIG21!

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Graeme the mad
Does no one else here object to the bombing of afghanistan?
I realise that no one is allowed to say this in the US but im in Britain so its okay - the president is an idiot and this great war against terrorism is one very huge, ill thought out shambles.

It isn't OK to say it in the UK either, Graeme!

350 Britons died on sept 11 too. The war isn't a shambles but
our way of maintaining your freedom to say the rather silly comments you are inflaming the CFs with.

So think before you type,
I made this mistake, and it can hurt feelings.

Be more considerate.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by El Présidenté
You have a right to a opinion, FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

You are correct, you are free to express stupid opinions.

But dont expect us not to flame you for being stupid.

 

[The Balrog]

I really dont care what you do, i have never stated that the Americans are stupid people , just there presidents, i meen for crying out loud: You elected a guy who thought he was just a man in a game, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN GENERAL ONLY THE GOVERNMENT, I DONT EVEN LIKE SOME OF MY "OWN" COUNTRYS GOVERNMENT (Mental note: Let go of shift when you write)

 

[joespaniel]

You have yet to post anything with any truth in it.

How can you be against people you know nothing about?

Not all Americans like Bush either, but we are at war. And its not a good time for any of us. It would be appreciated if you would show some discretion, and stop making up all this crap.

 

[The Balrog]

Originally posted by joespaniel
You have yet to post anything with any truth in it.

How can you be against people you know nothing about?

Not all Americans like Bush either, but we are at war. And its not a good time for any of us. It would be appreciated if you would show some discretion, and stop making up all this crap.

I understand you quite well, but i cant see WHY you always have to get flamed because you make a post with your opinion, i dont like that the Americans are at "war" either, and gets terrorized constantly, i just want to post a post with my opinion. Ok..... And thank you for your cooperation.

 

[joespaniel]

If you state something as fact, and its not, we might have to point it out to you. But your right, were being a little harsh. Chalk it up to "war weariness".

Heres the fundamental problem. You and Graeme, and others, are predispositioned against the US. Wether or not you have a valid point, no one will listen because of all the silly stuff that gets posted, that is fiction, or at best, speculation.

Again, you have every right to post your opinion, and we have every right to refute it, if its flawed.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by El Présidenté
i have never stated that the Americans are stupid people

LIAR, your original topic title in the oil thread stated this.

 

[The Balrog]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola


LIAR, your original topic title in the oil thread stated this.

I didnt say they where stupid i said they where stupid as s-h-i-t and i was refering to the president.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by El Présidenté
I didnt say they where stupid i said they where stupid as s-h-i-t

Well, that is a clarification, much less insulting

and i was refering to the president.

You TYPED Americans, not Bush nor anything else.

 

[vega]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Didn't say you should be.

it seems, that anybody is anti american who talk about american misstakes or something...but if you think so...tsts

It seems quite a lot of europeans need a real history lesson, they have let the rivisionists run wild.
This is all fact, you can look it up if you like.
The USSR proposed at Yalta, and tried to carry out, a plan that would have kept Germany a totally aggarian nation (It means NO industry or cities, only farms), and to occupy it in perpetuity, because deutchland had been the aggressor in 2 world wars.
US economics and Industry needed NOTHING from Germany or anyone else in 1945-55 period, all it did was in an altruistic nature.
The Marshall plan (which laid the foundation for the rebuilding of your homeland) was not designed to so that the USA would have a "balkwork" against communism, that came later.
And it would be nice if you remembered that US servicemen kept the people of Berlin alive in 1947 by flying in food in the face of a Soviet blockade.

right (except the first sentence), but the USSR was already communistic, western europe WAS a wall against USSR, and an aggarian nation cant exist alone, only an strong independent country can fulfil that wallfunction (oh god, my english...)

Germany and Japan made remarkable strides from this beginning, all on their own, but they WOULD NOT without the USA first "picking them up and dusting them off" so to speak.As you now see, that all came later.
Let me be clear, in case it's not.
Germany's revival from 1955 to the present time was all it's own, but the bases was laid by the USA in 1945-55, for humanitarian reasons, not to gain advantages.
Thos ecame later, when Germany became a partner again, and stood forth as a nation.
Please do not insult the people who helped you get where you are, even if it was only a start.

yes, thx

but thats the reason for tips about whats wrong in american actions (afghanistan), our countrys are friends, and the tactic in afghanistan IS wrong, you can say what you want, but bombs are NOT the answer after the 11. - in this case, the bible isnt a good book for your defense minister
thats a global and economic problem,

western world 21th century

3th world 15th century

ok?

and my reason because i critizise your posting is: the most american (or german) actions have rational reasons, thats not "human friendly donuts" or anything else
and never forget: the USA is a superpower because the worldwar, they wasnt one before

Nonsense.
A simplistic and insulting answer.
In point of fact, the USA imports little oil from this region, it's Japan and Europe that are the major users.
The USA had treaty obligations to Kuwait and Saudi arabia.

If the US was so "oil oriented" as many foolishly suggest, they would have simply occupied the shat el arab and pumpped to their hearts's content.
This didn't happen.

the price for a barrel oil at the market is the key, not the oil from kuwait...and kuwait under the control of the irak.....

This is a statment that smacks of racism, you better go edit this, BEFORE I lose my temper.

sorry, thats impertinent from you! i had enough lessons about the jews at school, i never thinking as an racist and i welcome every jew that come back to germany after the horrible holocoust, ok?? germany has spend mrd. $ to israel, and thats an obligation, thats good so.
but its true what i has wrote in my last post, sorry

argh, you can argument so easy in your homelanguage...thats unfair

 

[vega]

oh, sorry..i forgot: the suggestion (germany = aggarian country) comes from an american, not russian

 

[SunTzu]

whoever said FREEDOM OF SPEECH, well here's some news, you don't have freedom of speech here. We(Moderators and the Admin) decide what you can and cannot say. I'm not even going to bother replying to this crap i'm reading. Cluster bombs being used as land mines?! What someone thinks the american flag means? Funny that some 14 year old swedes are typing this crap. Have you even been outside of your own country?

 

[CurtSibling]

This madness all seems very familar!

I remember a thread called "Best Civ",
Same depressing arguments, only less heated!

I know where this thread will end up!

 

[vega]

take a look at the specifications of a cluster bomb at a military website, that ARE land mines....some mini bombs dont explode

or, thats a funny movie, "3 kings" - and you see, what a cluster bomb is - thats colateral damage

and the minibombs have the same color as the aidpackages: yellow, but without a flag