explain the rationale for denmark and lakes? Are you talking their embarkment perks...how is it better than just flatland though? Yeah, I haven't added anyone solely on that idea, but there's been some talk about Iroquois/Aztec on heavy forest with marathon being OP as well. You have ages to war with their UU and they get massive buffs to travel and combat in the woods. I recently played Aztecs and enjoyed their OP jag promotions on my melee all game. I had 2 elite units that continued to survive and wrecked havoc every war in the heavy-forest borders with the woodsmen, blitz, and march. I can only imagine the OP upgrades that would come on marathon.