LK26 - World Map

[LKendter]

Hmmm....
A wrong UN vote would be dangerous!

As for India
We know have a source of rushed settlers if we need it - no risk of India flipping now!


On the war comments - I am very nervous about the ticking clock. Of course, once temples kick in the India cities - a lot more squares.

However, to win we will need all of South America, the remaing island cities, China, Persia, Babylon, all of Africa and probably all of Europe. I am so glad that I upped the science factor in the next game. To much pressure here!

 

[meldor]

Pressure is what makes it fun. If you can't lose, there is no joy in playing.

 

[Dark Sheer]

1585AD(7) - Dang! We managed to steal Ecology from China. Now I understand how Jersey Joe feels. And I have already use the most dangerous method.
1590AD(8) - Start building some Mass Transit. China starts UN & Manhattan. And we steal Space Flight from China! Since when is espionage so easy?? We asked Aztec to remove their troops or declare war and its removed.
1595AD(9) - China demand spice and we say no! Still no war. We ask Chinese troops to leave and they do as told! Persian & Egypt signed MPP. Persian & Iroquis starts SETI. China completed 3 spaceship part from Apollo Program. We ask Aztec to move and once again they complied. We attempt to expose Chinese spy and war is declared! Woohoo! [dance]
And we immediately plant another new spy in Beijing. We are preparing for Chinese attack.
1600AD(10) - France declare war on China. [dance] Egypt declare war on China We face massive bombardment from Chinese army. Germany & Russia signed Peace Treaty. Looks like China has RoP with Russia. Aztec & Egypt alliance against China. Russian starts UN. We captured New Hangchow. We lost a destroyer and China lost an Aircraft Carrier. This will teach them to send Carrier unescorted.

Our army is next to 3 China border cities which we can take the next turn. I have also loaded 3 transport which is escorted by 2 battleship and 2 destroyer near Lonely Island which we can use to take those Chinese Islands. China has landed their raider army near Silk Passage together with 2 Infantry. But with 3 Mech and 4 Artillery I think we should hold against them. Idle workers are fortified near Canberra. We still have more troops fortified near Spice is Nice. At the moment Egypt has no Oil while France has no Uranium & America no Rubber.

Here is the savagame.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK26-1600AD.zip

 

[LKendter]

LKendter (on deck)
meldor
Jersey Joe
Dark Sheer
D9phoenix (currently playing) <<

Pressure is what makes it fun. If you can't lose, there is no joy in playing

@meldor - While I understand you comment, I look at this from a different view. I see a failed mod - regent should not see the space race starting in 1600AD. I failed to test before starting the game - the 75% corruption factor makes the game much more enjoyable, but it came with a bad side effect.

@D9phoneix - Kick China hard and strong. Since we are allied with NO ONE, we only need to destroy / capture their capital. At that point, we can decide who is the biggest space race threat.

 

[LKendter]

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Squares owned - 2010, still need - 4741 ~85 gained
Pop owned - 913, still need 1990 - ~115 gained, more then still needed went up.

The good news - some civs are crippled and can wait to last.
Greece, Japan, Rome
The better news - one civ is dead
India
The bad news - China has 3 space parts, but so far JUST them.

 

[D9phoenix]

Due to an event beyond my control (IE a roommate) i no longer have net access. Because of this i am going to have to drop out of this and all my SG games. I have no idea when/if i will ever get a phone line back anytime soon. I wish you guys luck and may still say hi from time to time while im at work.

 

[meldor]

Sorry to hear about that D9.

I guess that makes you the critical path Lee.

 

[LKendter]

I did get them game last night.
I will post partial results late tonight.

One piece of BAD news - France build the UN!

 

[meldor]

One piece of BAD news - France build the UN!

This is not good news. France declared war on China, was this done in an alliance with us? Can we nail the city that contains the UN? If we raze that city, doesn't that eliminate the diplo option for good?

 

[Jersey Joe]

We have an MPP with France. France also has an MPP with Egypt.

 

[Dark Sheer]

Hmmm....we start 2 turns after France and ours are suppose to complete in 10 turn in Brisbane. And we still lost to France?? Looks like we must quickly make a few AI happy. The only trouble now is we might accidentally win by UN vote.

The last time I check:

No.1 Australia
No.2 China

While Egypt and France is 3 & 4 respectively. And of course a number of Civ is annoyed with us. If we can get a MA with Russia, we can perhaps cut-off their RoP with China and also get another Civ on our side in the vote against China. But the question is, if the AI has UN, is it automatically one to be elected?

If that is the case then we will have a bit of weird result as China will definitely not vote for both France and Australia.

 

[LKendter]

(0) 1600 AD - While reviewing the map, I can't even figure out where to use up our cash surplus
I start looking at the trading screen.
Egypt has **FOUR** techs we don't have!
We need more of the world to go to war - It could hurt, but I give Russia Rubber for RoP / Ally vs. China.
I hope they will die in the process - I ally with Japan vs. China for Steam Power / Sanitation.
I get advanced flight from Persia giving him Ecology. Helicopters can be cool.
Mpp with Persia for Iron, Dyes, Spices.
!@$!@$#! - We have an active deal with Aztecs, I need something to do with all the tanks in SA.
Double *&*&!$! - We have active deals with America, we are in Deep you know what - I can't afford idle troops.
OK - cash problem solved, mass airport rush in SA.
Rush multiple units in our 1/1 cities in Siberia - finally, I am ready to hit enter.
(I) Meaningless, but Greek / French ally vs. China.
Persia declares war on China.
Egypt is building the Cure for Cancer!
What a mess - China captures Pharlos from France to be liberated by Russia.
I forget how painfully a world map game is with a virus scan going.
We lost 1 source of Oil


(1) 1605 AD - My first elite unit attacks Bayonne. Lee Heroes is formed - it attacks again and captures Bayonne - the French

are happy to see us. We just beat an Egypt SoD to Bayonne.
Wierd - I thought I put leader names in - an army is formed, which is victorious.
Hobart switches to Heroic Epic - completes next turn.
Meldor's Place renamed to Meldor's Academy - guess what is will build next turn?
I find a naked transport - in the Pacific - carry 2 settlers to where?
Bangalore is razed - cost a few tanks, but I don't argue.
Same deal with New Tiezten - I hate capturing large cities with high flip risk.
More nice Mountains is formed.
China has 136 inf, 37 mech, ZERO tanks - We had a boat load of units to kill.
Why not - I give Germany flight to ally vs. China - We really need everyone to start kill each other.
(I) [dance] Greece is destroyed by Babylon.
America completes Seti.
I watch the battle of SoG by Rostov - Archer vs. Archer?
I hate the Chinnese bombers.



(2) 1610 AD - Chittagong is captured. Karichi is captured.
The tank killer city of Jaipur is RAZED.
China is in Anarchy - temporary production halt!
This is getting really ugly - Egypt and America have started space ships.
(I) Heroic Epic is complete.
Wltqd end in multiple cities - OUCH.
SH!@@!$ - France builds the UN. We are really in trouble folks.
!@$!%@$#@$!@$ - I can't remember the last game I failed to build the UN.
We missed by one turn.


(3) 1615 AD - Lot of Cows is formed.
Whale City is formed.
Tokyo West is formed.
My turn to capture Pharalos - Can we hold it?
New Beijing is razed.
Forget buying techs - I offer America $2100/turn for Sattelites - I doubt they will accept this proposal!
China is hurting - they will already talk to us.
The deal bites, but Silks & $165/turn to France for wines.
(I) Not what I really wanted - be we complete the Manhattan project.
That wine deal is producing massive wltqd.
Egypt also going for Longevity.
Egypt completes a space part


(4) 1620 AD - Scratch the tank army - 1 hp off a mech inf?????
New Nanking is razed - I love when I find a city in RoP range near a border
Chinan (tank trap) is razed.
Tientsin is razed.
Worker Rescue is formed.
I do NOT renegotiate iron - I want to be able to cancel all deals with Egypt.
(I) Nothing of worth to report



TO BE CONTINUED -
Next report by Monday Night - whatever I can get done by then.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Originally posted by LKendter
Wierd - I thought I put leader names in - an army is formed, which is victorious.

Lee, during my turn 6 leaders where generated and I know 5 had leader names (the 6th was genned interturn in defensive fight and killed when russians overran his position so I never saw him).
Maybe leader names have a problem similair to what we see with city names being stuck on Geelong.

 

[Jersey Joe]

I wonder if France building UN was a cascade from SETI?

 

[LKendter]

Seti cascase is possible - But look at the map. Paris is a shield powerhouse!

What isn't clear - did Dark Sheer switch to Palace as a safety pre-build for an edge to get UN.

The good new - NO UN vote yet.

 

[meldor]

Lee,

One problem we have here is that we went to the new patch. Under the new patch the AI places more importance on building wonders in better cities, and building the sapce ship. Prior to this patch the AI really didn't persue the space ship all out. Now it will be more aggressive with it.

 

[LKendter]

Egypt is building six parts IIRC - supports your comments.

The good news - by the time your turn is done, China will be a non-player. I hope to be near their capital at the end of my turn.

JJ will get the fun of Egypt and destroying Thebes and possibly America and Washington.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Lee, Good Luck at the Gaming Convention !!

 

[Revolutionairy]

hey! can I see a screen shot with the mini-map included?

 

[LKendter]

(5) 1625 AD - Xinjian is razed.
Dead Tank Memorial is formed.
You got Oil is formed.
Gee Its Long is formed.
China is STILL in anarchy - the have lost ~50 inf, ~15 mech
(I) Furs now cost $115/t more - OUCH.
Egypt adds another spaceship part
wltqd are ending again.


(6) 1630 AD - New Ningpo (island city) is captured - I caught ships in port.
Tatuang is razed - I really refuse to capture size 13+ cities.
It has salt is formed.
Kaifeng is razed.
On a hill is formed.
Shantung is razed.
(I) Zulu / Egypt ally vs. China.
Yet again, Egypt adds a spaceship part
OUCH - First American part completes.


(7) 1635 AD - Nanking is razed - including a leader! However, this was a tank death trap.
Meat Factory, Jr. is formed.
Winner tank has arrived with the Great Leader - Monash - as that unit razed Macao.
Monash inspires Luxuryville to get there factory on-line quickly.
Another Mountain Town is formed.
France has a worker for sale - I'm not sure if it is worth buying, but I do.
I set up a RoP with Babylon / Aztecs anticipating our next targets.
(I) I let our Mpp / Rop with France expire.
France / China peace treaty.


(8) 1640 AD - Size 1 Ningpo is captured.
The great leader Bartow appears - I can't use him to next turn since Shanghai held out.
Tsingato is razed.
Target Sighted is formed.
Geelong Filler is formed.
Egypt has Synthetic Fibers - They are going to be !@$@$ to take out.
Double eek, so does America.
Found a spot is formed.
[dance] Egypt is in Communism
(I) Yet another space part for Egypt.


(9) 1645 AD - Bartow inspires Spice is Nice to build a solar plant and become a kick-butt production city.
New Macao is captured.
New Paoting (island city) is captured - I love watching ships in port die.
I continue the setup for the future - MPP with Babylon for the cost of Advanced Flight.
I want THEM to take the first round of the Egypt attack.
I finally get a new tech - recyling from Persia for space flight.
They are so sucky and don't even have Aluminum.
(I) America / Egypt ally vs. China.


(10) 1650 AD - We razed Shanghai - so much for Copernicus - I refuse to capture a size 19 city.
During the battle for Beijing, Parke's Killer Tank Squad is formed.
Parkes inspires Whale City to build a factory - with growth this will be another nice city.
Beijing is razed, so much for the great wall of China.

The above message is so dull, but I still love seeing it.
The marines have landed, New Kaifeng is ours.
Far Point Station is formed.
Who want Silk? is formed.
Geelong Central is formed.

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Summary - This really BLOWS. France having the UN makes it that much worse of a risk of loss.
FYI - I think Paris has IronWorks!
We can't take Paris, Thebes and Washington that quickly.

Here is what is going on -
1) India has been a great source for rushed settlers.
2) Siberia has been a great source for rushed military.
3) The worker's in Persian territory are not - They let me take New Macao and form Found a Spot because of the improved rail-net.
4) The transport in SA is to let us move tanks past Tamiun - We can take advantage of the RoP and go after America.
5) Don't forget the Egypt / France cities in Siberia, and the Egypt / America cities in SA.

The Diplomatic Situation
A) Zulu - Forget them, just won't budge.
B) Germany - mpp for Space Flight
C) Egypt - Deals expire in 7 turns - I SHUT OFF AUTO RENOGIATE to suck money from then until war.
CRITICAL TARGET
D) America Deals expire in 8 turns - secondary, but important target.
E) Babylon RoP for 17 turns, Mpp for 19 turns.
F) Russia RoP for 10 turns. Can cancel China alliance at any time. mpp for Space Flight.
G) China - will talk peace. Will give up some junk cities, but NOT satellites.
However, peace would break MPP with Persia. Might deny RoP which means Egypt launches Spaceship.
H) Japan / Rome - a joke, who cares.
I) France - a bind here. Deals expire in 13 turns, but the lost of wines would KILL us.
We have a 12 turn window to take New Pi-Rhamsses for Wines, a very tight window since Egypt war can start for 7 turns.
J) Persia - 6 turns for RoP, 10 for Mpp. The Mpp is NOT important, let it go, then peace with China.
The RoP is critical - No RoP, No Egypt attack.
K) Aztec - 17 turns for RoP. Want 3 techs for MPP - OUCH.
I) Iroqoius - forget it.

SPACE RACE STATUS:
Egypt has completed 4 parts, building 4 parts.
America has completed 1 part, building 8 parts.
France is building 2 parts.


At this point we don't have to take the civs out, just cripple them from any chance at a space race.

@ALL - Don't bother building universities - we don't plan to research that much - these put us at risk for a culture win.

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LKendter - My last turn until after Aug 4 - can't play during that time.
meldor (currently playing)
Your goal - Hmmmmm.... America / Egypt when the deals end.
Jersey Joe (on deck)
Dark Sheer ON vacation July 27 to Aug 8.

10 turn rounds - 24 hours for got it.
48 hours total time to complete turn

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Squares owned - 2374, still need - 4378 ~350 gained - with multiple temples coming up soon.
Pop owned - 1018, still need 1779 - ~100 gained, and still needed is lower

The good news - some civs are crippled and can wait to last.
Babylon, China (getting close), Japan, Rome

The better news - some civs are dead
Greece, India
The bad news - Space Race status.

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http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/LK26-1650AD.zip