LK26 - World Map

[Jersey Joe]

The russian troops by Spice is Nice come in through China. They have been showing up every turn I played. I did not have as much free time this weekend as I normally do so only did 6 turns so far, will finish up tonight.

Quick update, India down to 1 town up in Siberia, we have a couple of tanks going for it.
China appears to be the tech leader and we need to cripple them soon. Also China as started work on SETI so they could build mech inf. I think we will be at war with China in the next turn or 2.

 

[meldor]

Don't sell rubber to any one close to starting the space race. Also, remember that China has an MPP with the Aztec and America. Be ready in SA as well as SE Asia. Take the Aztec rubber and stop them from selling it to others who might want the better units and/or space parts.

 

[LKendter]

We can't fight most of the world. We are strong, but not that strong.
It looks like this would be the best:
Peace with Russia - even if we give them a few bucks.
Sign a MPP with America.
Let China attack first.
America joins the war on OUR side.
Aztec MPP trips - let them attack first.
America joins the war on OUR side.
We now have the Aztecs busy, and should be able to pick off stray cities off them while concentrating on China.
More cities in South America just as our FP comes on-line [dance]

 

[meldor]

Or sign an MPP with the Iroqouis.
Take what we want form the Aztecs (RUBBER!)
Let the Iroqiuos handle them and America.
I agree that we can drop Russia from the list for now, but remember, she broke an RoP with us.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Iroqouis would be good for an MPP since I have a fur deal going with them. I was thinking about trying to get Joan to sign an MPP with us.
I already planted a spy in China (trying to get them to start a war) so I am going to get some MPP's and start demanding China remove their troops from our territory.

 

[LKendter]

I wonder - could we get really perverse - a MPP with Russia?
They are the only power that actually borders with China of meaningfull strength.

The problem with civs like France - to far from the front. Persia may be the only other civ that would be meaningfull in the fight.

 

[meldor]

Don't forget the Chinese spear/settler pair that is fortified on one of our islands. It would be nice to bring Egypt in on one side and Zulu in on the other. Everyone at war will only benefit us, and it will be a little bit before we can tackle either on of them. There are some Egyptian cities in our SA territories.

 

[LKendter]

May you live in interesting times

We can't complain on one thing -
Operation India started late my round, and 2 rounds later - a major power is meaningless!

As for Egypt / Zulu - Hope China allies with one of them, then we ally with the other :flamedevi

 

[Jersey Joe]

1500AD preturn - Larsa is about to be captured by cossacks so I abandon it. I plant some spies, but get caught trying to spy on russia. Airport rushed in Spice is Nice. Barracks rushed in Fountain of Workers.
(I) Magnitogorask flips to China.
1505AD Madras captured. Fighting produces GL Monash who rushes factory in Indian Traitors. Plant some more spies.
(I) we loss a few troops to the Russians in scrimishes. FP is built.
1510AD Bengal is captured. Plant some more spies.
1515AD Lahore captured.
Pompeii (russian) captured, we have another sorce of oil if we can keep it from flipping.
Calcutta captured.
(I) France cancels rubber trade will only pay 1 gpt to renew
Egypt cancels coal trade will renew for 34 gpt will try later.
1520AD New calcutta destroyed. Indus captured.
We have now a spy in every civ.
(I) We lose Horses for Iron deal with Egypt. Renegotiate iron to Egypt for 117 gpt. (no horses)
India - Persia sign a peace treaty.
China begins work on SETI.
1525AD Persepolis is captured. In the fighting to capture Punjab, the GL Parkes appears. He rushes a factory in Spice is Nice. Punjab is captured. Dacca captured. I get furs from Iroquois for ivory + spices + 493 gold. (easily saves us from having to up luxury tax by 10%) Buy Amphibious warfare from Joan for 1950 gold. Order up some marines.
(I) Russians kill a few of our wounded troops, we will get revenge.
1530AD Our marines capture Pune, India down to 1 town in Siberia. Killing russian troops gets us the GL Cosgrove, he rushes a hydro plant in Spice is Nice. Kill more rusian troops by Spice is Nice and get GL Menzies, he rushes a hydro plant in Indian Traitors.
Several buildings includnig an airport rushed in SA in prep for war.
(I) France & Egypt sign MPP. Egypt starts SETI.
1535AD Kill a cossack by Spice is Nice get GL Whitman, he rushes Police Station in Indian Traitors. We capture Rostov. We destroy Novogord. No Russian troops are near by to kill so we make peace with Cathy. She gives us Grozny, Riga & Vitebok. Cathy wanted 4150 gold for an MPP. Borders of German city expand
making it difficult for us to reach India.
I give Joan RoP + 1420 gold for MPP. Need to get a settler through China, waiting 1 turn before trying to start war.
(I) nothing interesting
1540AD airlift tanks to SA, infantry to Asia. Geelongard founded. Iroquois want about 4500 gold for MPP. America and Aztec have MPP with China. Cancel our trade embargo vs Japan that we had with China. Cancel RoP with China.
(I) Mao askes us to remove troops we do.
Russian / German trade embargo against us ends. Russia declares war on German.
America starts SETI.
1545AD I ask Mao to remove his troops and he does. I try to create an incident by spying, but I manage to steal knowledge of computers & rocketry from Mao If I wanted to I could not do that. Troop airlift continues.
(I) German / Indian trade embargo against us has ended.
1550AD Once again I ask Mao to remove his troops and he does.

I left a few units active so the new leader can decide if he wants to goto war this turn or not. Also, most of the tanks are fortified so they could be moved.

The 2 infantry in Persian territory are being moved to Geelongrad.

Here it is: Australian Domination

 

[Dark Sheer]

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I try to create an incident by spying, but I manage to steal knowledge of computers & rocketry from Mao If I wanted to I could not do that.
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I will grab the game once I am home this evening.

 

[LKendter]

Squares owned - 1925, still need - 4826 ~250 gained

Pop owned - 795, still need 1918 - ~100 gained, but fell behind by 100! For now, growing is key.

The good news - some civs are crippled and can wait to last.
Greece, India (dead?), Japan, Rome

 

[LKendter]

I will be on vacation Jul 26 to Aug 4.

This is a gaming convention, and I will have some idle time. However, this game is beyond filling in the idle time.

If I can get the game before Jul 30, I could squeeze some turns in.
After that, I can't play this one until Aug 4.

The question is can DS and D9 find ~6 hours for their round?

@Dark Sheer - If you can kill the last Indian city, then use the remaining Indian cities to rush a lot of settlers. Indian national won't hurt us if India is dead


The next leader should build an army. We now have some good factories in SE Asia to build the military academy with. Plus Heroic Epic is also a good thing - Brisbane could probably blow that one out.

 

[Jersey Joe]

hmmmm, I did not even think to look to see if we had Heroic Epic. I just assumed since it was an LK game we must have built it before 10AD

 

[LKendter]

@JJ - Well we didn't even go to war until the invasion of Japan (which ended my last round). Would have been a little hard to get it in 10AD


@All - It is a LONG while away, but with the new and improved editor - I plan to really play the world. There earliest possible date - end of August.

I've started tweaking things to improve Rome, Japan, Babylon. England will be back. Brazil will be added. A Civ above China (Mongols?) will be added. NO more Europe powers - this area is already crowded.

What I can't figure out - a Western Africa power south of Morocco. What Civ of notice was there? There is a nice block of land with Ivory, Gems, Cattle, Wheat, River, and Iron that deserves a power there. My current solo WM game - Babylon has a nice little colony area there...

 

[meldor]

Lee,
I am not an expert on Western Africa but maybe this will help....
Western Afircan History

 

[Dark Sheer]

1550AD(0) - Pre-turn. Upgraded 75 Infantry to Mech Inf. No war as we should upgrade all Infantry to Mech Inf first since we now have computer.
1555AD(1) - Trade embargo between Russian and India against us ended. Building Hospital & Police Station where needed. Upgraded another 9 Infantry. Press Ctrl-Shift-U again and I can upgrade another 17 more?? Found another 3 more that can be upgraded.
1560AD(2) - Trade embargo between Rome & Babylon against us has ended. Embargo between Rome and Indian against us has ended. Germany and India embargo against us. Germany ask us to leave as we move towards the last Indian city. We tell them we are only passing thru. Building even more hospitals. French starts UN! Upgrade another 24 Infantry. Fly in more troops to Indian Traitors.
1565AD(3) - Build even more Hospitals and Police Stations. Egyptian starts UN & Manhattan. New Delhi destroyed together with the Indians.
1570AD(4) - Build even more Hospitals and Police Stations. American starts UN & Manhattan. French starts SETI. We buy Fission from France and starts UN in Brisbane. We must have a class one bad reputation as French refuse to accept gpt.
1575AD(5) - Build even more Hospitals and Police Stations. Chalchihites which comes with a source of rubber revolt and join us. To keep our traditions, the town is renamed to Aztec Traitors. Iroquis starts UN. I have a feeling the patch is buggy for old mods as Aztec has more than 1 source of rubber but in the trading screen they can buy rubber from us?? Not to mention I actually see some Aztec Infantry.
1580AD(6) - Build even more Hospitals and Police Stations. Zulu starts SETI.

(To be continued.....)

 

[meldor]

May not be bug with the rubber. If the Aztecs have sold off all of their rubber supplies and lost one of them, they lose the one they were using and will continue to honor the trade deals. They could therefore trade with us for their own source.
BTW, You can do this as well, trade off the only source you have of a lux or resource and then buy it from someone else. Don't know if you could get anythings positive out of this, unless the civ you were trading a lux to would get more happy faces (due to markets) than you would out of it. The price goes up for luxes when you have marketplaces in your core cities and will get the +1, +2, or +3 happy faces. That is why you will have Ais only take 2/1 trades with you if the lux will give you 4 happy faces but only 2 for them.

 

[Dark Sheer]

@ Meldor : Maybe you are right, I go to the trade screen straight after their rubber town flip. So that must be the cause.

 

[LKendter]

Chalchihites, which comes with a source of rubber

meldor's comment makes perfect sense - consider your quote - they just lost a source. Great news as our rubber monopoly expands.

Six turns and the only action is to eliminate India?
Please start a war - we are running out of time.
I've fixed the science rate in future games, but...
we control very little of the world with the space race about to begin

Possible targets:
1) China - we will get productive cities after courthouse / police stations.
2) Aztecs - yet more rubber, great cities with the fp - plus a lot of luxuries.
A luxury monopoly also drags the AI civs down some - more wasteful entertainment, or higher luxury tax.
3) If 20 turns of peace are up - Babylon to secure a big chunk of world oil. I think they also got some rubber in Africa.


Luxury prices are also tied to your empire size and number of cities. Why do you think they were so absurd in RBD13?

 

[Dark Sheer]

Well, since no one is willing to sell us Fission at the beginning, I rather not take the risk of accidentally dragging one which has the tech into the war at the wrong side. This is just in case an AI manage to build the UN.

Anyway, I spend the first 3 turns upgrading Mech Inf as we have very little barrack on the mainland and I need to swap the defense from different town for a few times to get them all upgrade. And since those are mainly Indian cities, eliminating India is top priority. I will try to get the AI to start a war this evening.