Lonely Hearts Club, BtS Edition, Chapter XXXI : Bismark

[TheMeInTeam]

And be sure to use all caps - the stupid thing is annoyingly case sensitive. Even BLACK is possible, and one of my favorites to use .

 

[Negator_UK]

Hi all. Monarch, normal speed. Not too sure what constitutes stage 1, but here's me after scouting the land.

Spoiler :

Not advancing very quickly, hada bad run with the barbs. First lost my scout to fauna, then a warrior, then a barracks trained axe to barb warrior attack ( I had 50% defense in jungle too !) and finally I got the 4 spear barb assault - for some reason they bypassed my outer cities where I sent my defenders and attacked my capital - had to whip out an extra defender, but all OK now.

I was probably teching slowly anyway but still hoping to get out great library and bulb my way to liberalism - might have to do it without religion though, not sure if this is competitively feasible, looks like coliseums will be needed and the state religion becoming football !.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Hi all. Monarch, normal speed. Not too sure what constitutes stage 1, but here's me after scouting the land.

Spoiler :

Not advancing very quickly, hada bad run with the barbs. First lost my scout to fauna, then a warrior, then a barracks trained axe to barb warrior attack ( I had 50% defense in jungle too !) and finally I got the 4 spear barb assault - for some reason they bypassed my outer cities where I sent my defenders and attacked my capital - had to whip out an extra defender, but all OK now.

I was probably teching slowly anyway but still hoping to get out great library and bulb my way to liberalism - might have to do it without religion though, not sure if this is competitively feasible, looks like coliseums will be needed and the state religion becoming football !.

Spoiler :

This is why I often play with barbs off, they're not balanced to starts (and they're an annoyance). I don't ALWAYS play with them off though, and when I don't my tech resembles Snaaty's walkthrough - early archers fogbusting all over and leading/defending city sites. I always play with events off though...I don't like that in marginal situations they can cause you to lose outright (and believe me, it's happened to me and it happened to godonut in BOTM 10).

That aside, 4 cities isn't enough at that point - you want to be closer to 6 unless you put up a key wonder or three. Even with an uprising, with spears 2-3 archers would put them down quickly (3 will beat all uprisings, often even HAs). Definitely prioritize more early workers/settlers ASAP.

 

[Jet]

Checkpoint 1 (late, ~900 AD) (Immortal/Normal)

Spoiler :

Settled 2N and started building wonders. GW and Pyramids before the second city, which was on the pigs.
Missed the Great Lighthouse by a bit.
Third city was down on top of the Marble.
Got Great Library and Parthenon in capital.
Settled fourth city over on top of the incense.
Went hard for Engineering, stopping only for Writing, AH and Iron Working to settle the Gems city. Missed the Colossus.
Still missed Notre Dame. Building both the Great Library and Notre Dame is my Lonely Hearts series holy grail. I always try and never make it.
Lost a couple Triremes to barbs before I finally finished circling the islands some time around 900.
Around that time I was building a Settler for the rice/river spot north of the capital, and a small stack of Axes/Trebs to take a barb city that appeared to the northwest on Pig/Fish/Copper and farm a level 4 unit.

Great people were:
Spy, settled
Scientist, Academy
Artist, saved
3 Scientists, settled

 

[Jet]

Checkpoint 2 (1300 - 1440)

Spoiler :

Sent my Caravels out around 1250, met everyone, got circumnavigation. Traded mostly with Saladin, who was most backward. Monty was master of Isabella and locked into war with HC, and Shaka was locked in with Saladin. Also traded a bit with HC, second most backward, earning me the emnity of Monty too.

Astro 1440. I'm nowhere near Liberalism but it looks like the AIs are pretty far too. Taoism didn't fall until 960. I'm still in Slavery.

 

[r_rolo1]

@Bleys

Spoiler :

All possible combos for color schemes ( color for the flag + color for the symbol in the flag ) are in Assets/XML/Interface/CIV4PlayerColorInfos.xml. The colors used there are defined in CIV4ColorVals.xml in the same folder. Have fun

 

[Bleys]

Thanks mate. Changing them in those spots will change them for all my games, without having to edit WB files, right? Is that what you did TMIT? Or did you edit this games WB yourself with colors so their wouldnt be any hard-to-spot culture? I remember one LHC as KK I think, and SB was the big cheese on the other continent, and when I took it, I couldnt tell my own land from SBs, a real PITA. In fact, I never finished that one.

 

[r_rolo1]

In here you can change in the WB using those files as template , but for the other games you can change in Assets/XML/Civilizations/CIV4CivilizationInfos.xml ( OFC with the usual procedure of editing a copy and placing it in costumassets ) using the same template.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Yeah you can do the customassets thing. I actually just open the WB save, and hit playercolor in the find thing...the first one it takes it to is my civ, so I don't even know what other civs are.

I just pick colors I like, without regard for anything else .

 

[r_rolo1]

Just a last thing: if you change the XML, the game from this WB still will have the normal grey borders ( WB has preference over XML in this )

 

[Bleys]

Cool, I may just change a few civ colors. I really wish there was an in-game option to assign different colors to any leader you want too. In fact, I think it would be really cool if you could pick the color of any civ when you meet them.

BTW I am playing this game, heres a brief report, sorry its sucky, I just havent been in the mood to do write-ups lately, so I rarely take any screenshots.

Emperor, Epic, through 1500 AD:

Spoiler :

I built the GLH, Colossus, and GL in Berlin, as well as a couple other Wonders. I didnt settle the marble in time to get the Oracle, and someone got the MoM insanely fast in my game. This was the very first time I played at Emp and had a lead when I met the other AI civs. I actually settled the small island between me and Sal, then Shaka and Sal DoWed on me (pre-Astronomy) and took it, LOL. Kinda funny. I got Lib pretty early, and took Steel. I just finished up Astro myself, I am in a Golden Age where I swapped to Nationalism and drafted a pile of Rifles, so now I am going to go wipe Sal and Shaka out with my Rifle vs Longbow advantage. HC is the only AI anywhere near me, he is actually teching quite well, he's already past Astronomy, and Sci Meth (I am teching that now). I am going for a Conquer victory if I can, I should be able to take Sal and Shaka with Rifles and Cannons on Galleons, then I will look for Infantry and Artillery to take out HC, Monty and Izzy. GK is already a non-factor, Monty vassalized him before I even met em.

I will try to remember to take a few screenies over the rest of the game, I know I like those "heres my SoD, and the cities its going to crush" pics best when I read other reports.

 

[dubrown]

For those that already got to SciMet

Spoiler :

I'm sure you already seen some wierd concentrations of oil Sorry ..... suposedely it was meant to be oil in the tundra square, but not in the plain hill north of it. I had corrected that, but it looks that I uploaded the wrong files

@r_rolo

Spoiler :

When I saw the line above the spoiler and didn't open the spoiler I was worried that you would say something like "sorry, missed placing an oil for you". Now that I've reached sci meth and found the plentiful supply I did dare to open the spoiler. Thanx for the plentyful supply, although oil will probably make no or very little difference to the outcome of atleast my game.

 

[dubrown]

Hi all. Monarch, normal speed. Not too sure what constitutes stage 1, but here's me after scouting the land.

Spoiler :

Not advancing very quickly, hada bad run with the barbs. First lost my scout to fauna, then a warrior, then a barracks trained axe to barb warrior attack ( I had 50% defense in jungle too !) and finally I got the 4 spear barb assault - for some reason they bypassed my outer cities where I sent my defenders and attacked my capital - had to whip out an extra defender, but all OK now.

I was probably teching slowly anyway but still hoping to get out great library and bulb my way to liberalism - might have to do it without religion though, not sure if this is competitively feasible, looks like coliseums will be needed and the state religion becoming football !.

@Negator_UK

Spoiler :

Some general thoughts and suggestions.

Looks to me you're teching too slowly. Do you have any libs up in Berlin and Hamburg? With the food available to those two cities you should be able to support atleast 1 scientist in each to speed up early research quite a bit.

City placement, you got two, fairly slowgrowing, cities in your initial four. With this being in isolation (we know that don't we, because of the series theme) it's safe to do a bit distant settling than keeping everything close to Berlin.

Munich has no food resource, if I see correctly it's 1 of the river, putting it 1W would still make it coastal and have river access. But I would have waited a bit with settling it, maybe as 6th-8th city or so.

Cologne, in the middle of nowhere, only calendar resources available. Sure they'll make a farm a bit better than normally, but still, I'd have waited for almost calendartime before settling that one.

The tip I can give is to play the map accordingly. You have explored the island. There's pretty good cityspots up north that claims both food and stone for example. With sailing, you'd be able to connect the cities without having to wait for a road to connect them. Spreading the cities out would also make the barb problem easier to handle, you'll quicker remove the fogcover for the whole island and then barbs is no problem anymore.

With the gems being in the jungle zone IW would be a priority here to be able to start settling the middle of the island where there's room for some very strong financial centers with the gems and lot's of cottageable space.

 

[Bleys]

Emp, Epic, 1500-1700 AD:

Spoiler :

Changed gears, took peace with Shaka and Sal for now, and rolled my army over to the other continent, and wiped Izzy out in about 10 turns. That got me a bunch of decent Wonders, including the AP, and a city with an incredible amount of GGs, Madrid. Check this out:

Crazy eh. Now I wish I had not built my HE yet, LOL.

Anyway, my plan is to take out this continent, including HC, and hoping that Shaka and Sal dont come for me. Despite drafting over 40 Rifles (3 from each of 14 cities), and building 15 cannons, I am still only .8 Power with Sal, and .7 with Shaka. Neither has Rifles yet, and I am almost to Infantry, but the last thing I need is those 2 landing on me. Luckily, neither is in WHEOOHRN, so I should have time to take out Monty and his vassal, GK. It would be very difficult if Shaka and Sal DoW on me now, I have plenty of Galleons, but as you all know, Madrid to Berlin is a 5 turn ride, even with the Circumvent bonus. Next report soon, very cool game. These AIs are fun to play against.

 

[KaytieKat]

Hi

Noble, Marathon 1744 AD checkpoints 1-3ish.

Spoiler :

Game started out promising very first goody hut was BW at 3970bc . After that is was gold gold gold so bank acct was full, bronze in bfc so right off bat we are rdy to build barbie handlers and to wonderwhore and expand.

My tech tree was like AH, AG, Fishing Sailing, Masonry, Wheel, Pottery,Writing, Machinery, Math, Aesthitics, CoL, Lit, or something like that. It was enought hat I was able to get, 'Mids, GLH, Collossus, ToA, HG, and GL, and even SoZ early on. First GP was a GM and he bulbed Currency. Second GP was a great prophet and he went on to build a shrine in Hamburg which is Confusist holy city.

Missed out on Oracle but didnt even have a chance at that somehow Oracle went FAST. I mean FAAAAAASSSST it was built even before stonehenge. Only way I can figure it is if Izzy after teching Poly for hinduism got Preisthood from a hut like RIGHT afterwards and started working then and there or something. And got it done VERY early. waay before 2000BC and I think before 2500BC even.

That might acct for why she got swallowed by Gehngis waaaay early. When I finally got a look around that continent, Izzy is gone and ONLY spanish city is Madrid. SO it looks like Izzy spent whole time on Oracle insted of expanding and got it built just in time for Ghengis to wipe her out :/.

Well anyways I was able to expand pretty easily with money from huts and wonders and shrines fueling economy for most part. I settled out my contient without much problem. Barbies werent that much of pain since with BW right off bat my fogbusting axes had no problems with barbie spears and archers and warriors. No Barbie axes or swords showed up for some reaon but by then they all had combat1,shock from killing the spaers and archers so they wouldnt have been a prob anyways. ANd I didnt bother with workboats until after I could build triemes so barbie galleys werent much of hassel either.

I also settled two islands south and rinky dink island north.

I managed to win lib race. And as soon as I had tech lib I switch to free religion and then upgraded some triemes to caravals and went out to see the world. Met the other civs and even won circum race. I seem to be teching ahead of everybody. I founbd another lil islad to my west and have 4 cities there.

Around this point in game I decide to invade contient with Salad and Shaka. Shaka makes it easy since he declares on me for NO reaon. He cant even get galleys over to me so no way he can attack me but I took Astronomy with Lib race tech so I CAN get to him if I want.

By Time he attacks I alrdy teched steel and am on way to Mil Sci, so I am building muskets and cannon then Grens and caravals and frigates to go say hi to SHaka and show him why it not nice to pick on girls.

But then Surprize surprize that ^^*(&)*_ Monty DoW's on me for now reason and starts ending gallys to that lil 4 city island just north of his continent. He even takes one of the cities.

Now in Long run startegy wise. I SHOULD have just ignored Monty. I mean those 4 cities on that island have NOTHING to offer cept counting toward land and pop totals. They dont have much resources (at least none that I can see rep idnustrial techs anyways) That I dont already have and they sooo brand new that they cost more in maintainance than they really woirth at this point.

Smart move would have been let Monty take those cities and deal with maintance cost and building them up, keep focus on building invasion force for shaka, Take him out then Salad and once THAT all done THEN send a HUGE force to go take back cities and make Monty pay for being a big jerk.

Only problem with that startegy is I HATE losing cities grrrr. Besides it would just be cruel to let thoise poor citizens suffer under Monty's rule after they got used to living under my benevolence .

So stack that wa smade for Shaka instead gets sent west. rertakes my city. Raises two of Monty's cities to make sure his culture doesnt push into those islands anymore so his galleys cant get there and just to make him pay for annoying me hehe.

After that he willing to offer me HC's old cap for peace. I take it and give Cuzco back to HC since he so tiny it wont make diff to give it back him and will hopefully cause monty some [probs and I dont have to worry bout defending it.

This is point whre I left off pretty much. I am teching towards rifling. Most of first big stack I am leaving on that isaldn in case Monty or Gehngis decide to try and take em again.

Which means I need a new stack to go after Shaka. But I am thinking Shaka can wait. Salad is closer and he have AP city. So my plan now is rebuild a new stack. Raze Medina the AP city right off the bat so I dont have that headache to mess with. Take out Salad and then Shaka. After that its see how close I am to dom win. If I still need more land and pop then it Monty's turn. If I take him down after controlling the Salad/Shaka continent I should have dom win.

Diplowise I am shaka's worst enemy now though I have NOOO idea why. Only negative was this war spoils our relation ship hit and HE started it :/. Monty hates me too mostly cuz I raised two of his cities but again HE started it NOT me .

Ghengis is actual pleased with me which I am hoping will keep him off my back. His worst enemy is Shaka and I hope it stays that way till after I get control of Salad/Shaka Continent.

Here is pic of my empire so far:

My main empire

Lil isand off to my west.

Demographics:

Ahead in most categories excpet power but I am number two and catching up. And ghengis is number one and he is at pleased with me and hates shaka more and is way stronger than the other AI's so hopefully he will pick one of them first before me if he is feeling froggy.

I THINK I might have a chance if I can take out Salad and Shaka and then get that contient working for me. I just have to make sure I have a few cities on their contient before they get astronomy so fighting will stay their and leave my home cities alone. And if monty doesnt get stupid again of gehngis dont backstab me. Biggest if is Gehngis since we all pretty much KNOW Monty being a stupid is pretty much his AI prime directive but I dont think he will be that big a prob.

Kinda funny how just ONE resourse is making all the diff. IF I had Horseys ANYWHERE isntead of messing with Mil Sci and Steel and now getting to riflles I COULD have just belined Mil Trad after gunpowder and been ALL over Salad/and Shaka with curiassors while they still just had muskets or less and game would be pretty much over by this point but NOOOO none not even ghengis will trade me horseys for ANYTHING :out::.

Oh wells I am sure Salad has horseys somewhere in his empire so I SHOULD be getting some soon and by that time I will be using Cav instead of Curriasors

Well anyways thats my sitch and my plan for what it worth at this point. Wish me luck

Kaytie

 

[KaytieKat]

Hi

Noble, Marathon 1780's AD checkpoint 4 resigned

Spoiler :

Grrrrr stack I sent after salad was NOWHERE near big enough. I sent a stack of 30 at medina. Like 12 cannons and 9 grenadier, 9 rifles. I probably needed at least 20 more nonseiges units to have taken medina. and at least 10 more on top of that to survive long enough to get back out after raising it and then a loong wait to heal to go after mecca by which time Slaad would have had bigger.

Meanwhile Shaka and Gehngis and Monty dow'ed on me. And it not so much the Dow's hurting although they might once they get astronomy but losing the resources fro gehngis. That Hurt bigtime. Plus I just dont have the production unless I whip/draft units until all my 20 pop cities go down to nothing and even then I would have a stack big enough to START but not anywhere big enough to finish.

Salad has curiassors and everybody is speeding to astronomy.

I guess biggest problem is I am just sucky at handling low production/low resource situations. Sugar is ALL I really have to trade. I got lucky that ghengis needed clams and pigs but lost those when he dowed so that hurting. MY best production cities werent THAT good to begin with but with pollotion and sad faces shrinking them they now even worse.

Not to mention that I was basically running SE so that mean I NEED semi big cities to do much and without the resources to suppoert em they not getting big enough.

That plus just being overseas warfare just killed me cuz those extra units dont count the 10 xtra galleons needed to ship em off. I dont know. It just took me FOREVER to get that stack I did get plus the navy to support it and it was like only half of what I needed. And THAT is assuming salad didnt get any bigger while I added all that. If I start from save and this time wait till I have 60 plus units and navy for em Salad most likely gonna be even BIGGER and so will everybody else so I will need an even bigger stack by then and in time to get that they will get bigger and on and on.

Only OTHER start I can think of is I had one GM saved I COULD beeline eco and get two GM's. Then beeline to assembly line and use GMs on missions to Ghengis's cap and mass up grade to rifles. That seem ONLY chance to have but that assumes noone will DoW me until then and that dont seem likely since Shaka and Ghengis and Salad all in wheooh and Shaka no longer Ghengis's worst enemy. So I just call this a loss. It seems like no way for me to win and at best just long grind of delaying ineveitiable.

Well anyways hope everybody else does better. maybe I can do better next game

Kaytie

 

[ungy]

immortal, normal. Played till 1595 Checkpoint 3.

Spoiler :

I felt like a wonderspam game so I decided to give this a go.
Settle in place, tech fishing, ah, bw, then beeline GLH while founding city 2 in a crap spot up by the stone to go for 'mids. Get them both then add parth, GL, Col, Uof S. (First GP was a merchant and being indu I bulb MC).
The AI war a lot and are backward--I bulb tao in around 800!.
I go the lib route and take nat-Taj. Mongols have vassaled inca and Izzie, Zulu have vassaled Sal.
The AI are really backward and there's way too much land (I even have pretty good relations)--don't think I'll bother to finish this one.

 

[dubrown]

Hi

Noble, Marathon 1780's AD checkpoint 4 resigned

Spoiler :

Grrrrr stack I sent after salad was NOWHERE near big enough. I sent a stack of 30 at medina. Like 12 cannons and 9 grenadier, 9 rifles. I probably needed at least 20 more nonseiges units to have taken medina. and at least 10 more on top of that to survive long enough to get back out after raising it and then a loong wait to heal to go after mecca by which time Slaad would have had bigger.

Meanwhile Shaka and Gehngis and Monty dow'ed on me. And it not so much the Dow's hurting although they might once they get astronomy but losing the resources fro gehngis. That Hurt bigtime. Plus I just dont have the production unless I whip/draft units until all my 20 pop cities go down to nothing and even then I would have a stack big enough to START but not anywhere big enough to finish.

Salad has curiassors and everybody is speeding to astronomy.

I guess biggest problem is I am just sucky at handling low production/low resource situations. Sugar is ALL I really have to trade. I got lucky that ghengis needed clams and pigs but lost those when he dowed so that hurting. MY best production cities werent THAT good to begin with but with pollotion and sad faces shrinking them they now even worse.

Not to mention that I was basically running SE so that mean I NEED semi big cities to do much and without the resources to suppoert em they not getting big enough.

That plus just being overseas warfare just killed me cuz those extra units dont count the 10 xtra galleons needed to ship em off. I dont know. It just took me FOREVER to get that stack I did get plus the navy to support it and it was like only half of what I needed. And THAT is assuming salad didnt get any bigger while I added all that. If I start from save and this time wait till I have 60 plus units and navy for em Salad most likely gonna be even BIGGER and so will everybody else so I will need an even bigger stack by then and in time to get that they will get bigger and on and on.

Only OTHER start I can think of is I had one GM saved I COULD beeline eco and get two GM's. Then beeline to assembly line and use GMs on missions to Ghengis's cap and mass up grade to rifles. That seem ONLY chance to have but that assumes noone will DoW me until then and that dont seem likely since Shaka and Ghengis and Salad all in wheooh and Shaka no longer Ghengis's worst enemy. So I just call this a loss. It seems like no way for me to win and at best just long grind of delaying ineveitiable.

Well anyways hope everybody else does better. maybe I can do better next game

Kaytie

@Kaytie

Spoiler :

Looks to me you did pretty well initially. Then perhaps you got carried away a bit. As you yourself noted, that far of island next to Monty might have been better leaving alone for the time being (or making a colony out of it). Thus the only focus you'd needed to start with was Sal and Shaka. If you had taken their continent, then you would've had a bigger productionbase to go after ghengis, Monty and the rest as the final push for domination.

The other trouble with that far of island is that you put four cities there. Had you kept it to three, it'd been a far better economical deal. Colonial expenses sky rockets with the 4th city, with only 3 it's manageable.

But from your first post you're in a victory position anyway, perhaps replay from there and focus on Sal and Shaka and leave your faraway position to either a Colony or let Monty take it. Taking Sal, don't rush to Medina, make a foothold on an easier city first. Let Sal deplete his troops on your defenses in that city, then go on the offensive.

It's always a bit more difficult to learn how to invade a different continent, the best is to do it after flight so you can ship in troops with airports as well as with transports. Take one city, make it yours, perhaps make peace for 10 turns to ship in more troops and then redeclare again and it may get a bit easier, or just as I suggested above, dig in, bring plenty of good defenders in the initial stack.

 

[dubrown]

Monarch/Epic Checkpoint 3 or something ~1700AD (just a very short update)

Spoiler :

As I'm at work now it'll not be a fancy thing with screenies and the rest, the final update will have to cover that.

Right, it's a good game. I'm way ahead in research to everyone, at this point I have rifles, going on combustion and then to assembly, perhaps a detour to communism as economy is starting to be a bit of a trouble.

Well, I decided to jump at Shaka when my friend Sal called me up and asked for help. It was easy, at that point I went in with grenadiers, Cannons and Muskets against his HAs, Axes/Swords and Lbows. A walk in the park, I quickly secured half of his cities as my own. Then he decided to capitulate to Sal just when I was prepared for my final rush.

So, a bit of a disapointment there, nevermind though, Sal was to go anyway, but I'd rather saved him for a bit later after getting HC and Izzy in place as their techpace started to catch up a bit, now I may be forced to go with Panzer against rifles instead of Inf against Muskets/Lbows, well, no real worries there, though they'll most likely give some opposition on the big sea at that point so I'd better focus more on protection for my transports.

Well, I took the peace for about 5 turns before I had a good enough stack ready at Sals western border, declared and started walking over the opposition again, Shaka went quickly, is now erased from the earth. Sal bid a bit better opposition and it didn't help that our shared religion and friendship started to amount some unhappiness quite quickly in my cities. And he did also manage to get Camelarchers a few turns into the war and I was sloppy, so I didn't secure his horses as first priority (Rifles has a very easy time against HAs, quite easy against Camel Archers but I did loose some more troops than expected)

In a few more turn their continent will be all mine, then I need to get economy back on track quickly for the final push towards domination. I'm guessing I'll go from Izzys side of the continent and move eastward. I recon she'll be a quite easy psuhover, Ghengis a bit harder but more backwards, Monty is Ghengis vassal so he's no real threat and finally HC, who is the most dangerous over there so I might not need to take him on if I leave him for last.

Hopefully, i can push out a few GMs which would really help the economy, all GMs I've gotten so far in this game has been used on trading missions, finansing my warcampaign.

Well, that was the short recap from last post, to noones surprise my goal is domination, I could settle for a conquest if I can get everyone to capitulate quickly, but I guess I'll reach the domination limit way before that happens.

 

[IPEX-731BA5DD06]

Just wanted to add some more in depth analysis of the situation, as I see it

Spoiler :

Seems like I won't have to worry about that continent for quite a while.

Looks like they are doing my work for me, in slowing down Hyuana, who'd have to be going for Gunpowder.

Further strategy is to Grab astronomy off Liberalism, tech nationalism and build the Taj mahal.

I actually got to build the MoM rather late, I teched Currency oh..700+ and realized it hadn't gone, I"d settled marble by this stage so I grabed it. Built Notre Dame for the +2 happy, Hagia Sofia for the Great engineer points and grabbed the Parthenon, to go with MoM and a golden age.

Once I built Wall street city over by the 2 grassland gem mines, I had 2 Prophets to settle straight away, I'd have had up to 4, but I settled 2 in Capital as I needed gold at the time, but those 2 extra hammers certainly add up


I still need to settle more cities, Iron worKs for 1, build MORE WORKERS, and spam watermills all over.

I've generated 1 Merchant, who's settled into wall street, along with 2 Prophets, I've 1 great engineer cooling his heels, Proberly use him for Mining corp, Civ jewelers, I'll spread all over other AI's, and Sids Sushi will all go into Wall street.

Plan is to take over Shaka, whos' getting 2 dangerous with all that land, and move onto a conquest victory.