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Lost Worlds Mod Beta Thread

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Creation & Customization' started by KingArthur, Jul 8, 2021.

  1. KingArthur

    KingArthur Searching for the Holy Grail

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    Changes
    • Fixed Skink Settler ini.
    • Fixed Thark Settler ini.
    • Fixed Thark Worker ini.
    • Fixed Heavy Battlesuit ini.
    • Siege Artillery bombard stats changed to 8.1.1 from 12.2.2.
    • Bicycle infantry can be airlifted and transported by air units.
    • Flak Defense changed to 5. Air Defense changed to 2. Requires Iron.
    • Stock Exchange Small Wonder now has Treasury Earns 5% flag.
    • Juggernaut now upgrades to Land Leviathan.
    • Mammoth Rider now upgrades to Sagoth.
    • Xenomorph unit added to Zeta Reticuli civ.
    • Clear Damage reduced to 12 turns.
    • Port Improvement - Remove Allows Water Trade Flag. Add Increases Trade in Water flag.
    • Customs Warehouse name changed to Customs Office. Added Reduces Corruption flag and removed coastal installation flag. Reduced build cost.
    • Export-Import Co. renamed to Trading Company. Maintenance cost increased to 2.

    In Design/Development
    • Naval Units speed review.
    • Offensive unit between Cavalry and Land Ironclad 3.1.2.40. Switching Bicycle infantry to offense and adding Gatling gun back in as defensive unit is a good idea.
    • Plant Forests - need to check what it looks like on all terrain types.
    • Nice suggestion for Flak replacement - I love it!
    Updated version below:

    Link: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ao22DDKw4lY6u3ncdjq_zV6cOi0t?e=pNhAyv
     
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  2. KingArthur

    KingArthur Searching for the Holy Grail

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    Some answers to why Civs are where they are and why the date is set to March 1802. Quite simply it's all to support a shaky backstory that I have created. First thing that prompted the decision was that most of the Era 1 techs were 'discovered' around that time (or earlier) so a later start date didn't make sense. I could have changed the tech names to more advanced (possibly obscure) versions e.g. Corliss Engine for Steam Engine but lacked the creative energy to do it.

    Besides I also wanted to fit in the whole discovery and exploration of the Aether by the end of the century which an early start allows for. Also, it allows for 4 nice eras: Steam - Analytical - Electrical - Aetheric.

    The backstory is an amateurish piece of alt-history writing and much work is left to do on it. You will find reasons for the Commonwealth's current pitiful state in their pedia entry. I had thought of giving them most of Canada and replacing the Canada civ with another Pellucidar based one but they would be quite obscure and not really add much to the mod - not sure how may folk would want to play as the Korsar Pirates or Xexots whose culture is based on the Bronze Age when they can play as one of the 'space-faring' civs.

    Portugal being in Brazil follows historical reasons after Napoleon invades the country and the rulership flees to their South American colonies but actually I do acknowledge that Empire of Brazil is an interesting entity and I have a nod to that when the Era 3 leaderhead animations change ;).
     
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  3. timerover51

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    This sounds like it will be quite interesting when you have it completed.
     
  4. KingArthur

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    Thanks timerover51. I hope so.
     
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    Finally I had time for another go.

    More bugs to fix:

    - Handling Machine crash the game, because it has the reference to sound files in .ini file, but they are not in the folder;
    - ArchDaemon crash the game, because .ini file does not have a space in its name, which unit folder has;
    - Giant Crawler fidget.flc misses "d" letter in its name, this, of course, crashes the game once again, because .ini has reference to "fidget";
    - Stock Exchange is a smalll wonder but doesn't have a WON_SPLASH entry in PediaIcons.

    That's it so far, I guess.

    Now regarding gameplay. This time I chose to go as Cthuvians to have some underworld experience. Unfortunately, the game was plain boring so far (300 turns in). Underworld factions has too much empty space around them, so there's no competition for land. My settler spam ended by the end of era 2 and only because I hit city limit. There was literally nothing to do but construct more settlers. Even dephts exploration is available only in the middle of era 2. About that time I managed to build a solid core of my empire around the large lake of the starting location. Anything beyond that was crumbled by nigh infinite corruption. My govt choice was Libertarianism (since no wars were expected) but it didn't help much with corruption either. Tried to switch to communism to see if it could be better. Well, it didn't by much and I lost most of my income (trade bonus rocks). I was far behind in tech (I am not a good player), but both underworld and extraterrastial factions were tech backwards compared to Earth. The reason is high tech trade rate between earth civs, I suppose.

    I am at a good position - I have score lead by a 1k pts. I have only 4 techs to reasearch (just buying them from other civs) and Earth guys doesn't seem to hurry and take space race victory. I didn't start my space race, because I don't have Relics. I just started my first war with Titans to get them, but the game keep crashing for me. After Canada and US sign peace treaty, I just left with message "please wait" and nothing happening. I waited for like 15 minutes, but still no responce. Checked other factions with multiplayer turn and found nothing suspicious. Russia is destroyed by Nordic Union the same turn, but I doubt it is connected to my crash. Besides that turns are really fast now.

    Concerning Earth Factions, Allianz seems too weak now. They were destroyed first even before I reached Earth. Americas are dominated by US and Canada. and US is strongest nation on Earth score-wise. Europe was first taken by Russia and Barbary, but then Nordic Union overrun them all. I found many Russian cities are just 1 pop and most of them are destroyed. Russia and China took over most of Asia, but then Nords came for them there too. Africa is dominated by Egypt now and Australia is divided by remnants of India and Society. Japan is slowly falling to Canada. No interaction between extraterrastial/underworld factions and Earth at all. I think, Siam got single moon colony and that's it.

    I think, non-earth civs gameplay should be revised. I know, it is not an easy task and probably shoulldn't be a priority, but something to consider in the future. My summary on this matter:

    1) Happiness is a disaster. There's no luxury for Titans or Cthuvians. I only managed to by Furs and Ivory from Mahar later in the game;
    2) No serious civ interaction until about turn 200;
    3) There's not much reasons to interact with Earth civs even after you can. No reason to attack them or settle near them - conquered territories will be eaten by corruption anyway.

    In general, I feel that the map, while very beatiful, is not very good gameplay-wise. It is just too big and, outside of earth, there's not much to do. Because of this, I think, non-earth civs has to be rebalanced to create completely different experience, maybe, even with their own tech tree. For example, they can get more/cheaper/auto-produced settlers, so you don't need half of the game time to settle territories around you. It coulld be fun to have cthulhu priests with hidden nationality which could invade Earth early on and wreak havoc among the mortals and terroriese their seas with squid-privateers. For Martians they can have kind of invasion on Earth at certain point (I think, the Rood and the Dragon scenario had simillar mechanics with Vikigns).

    As I mentioned before, it would be fun if human players had actual reason to settle at other worlds. For example, they can have unique resources which you need to have to finish time machine. And, I think, in general corruption should be lowered in the scenario, so these colonies could actually funtion. More ways to mitigate it would be very cool.

    For now I will concentrate on Earth civs. Polishing them first should be way easier. And they are way more fun to play.

    Maybe 10.1.1 would be more apropriate, sinde Laser Infantry is D10. Ideally, there should be two types of artillery for first and last 2 eras. Maybe adding something like Railgun in era 4 will be suitable?

    Worked fine. At late game it is still a problem but not nearly as annoying.

    Turn times are way better now to. But still some kind of oversea connection has to be implemented. Through small wonders maybe?

    In general, I enjoy the mod and its aesthetics very much and hope to see it completed one day.
     
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    We hit this is the Age of Discovery World Map Mood that I helped with. I take it that you have no harbors or commercial docks then? There we used harbors with no water trade enabled, with commercial dock allowed by a civilization advance that allowed water trade, but required a harbor in order to be built.

    If there is a link to what you have so far, I can take a look at it in the editor and see what I might be able to help with.
     
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    Well, actually, aerodromes still allow air trade, completely forgot about that. So everything should be fine, actually in this regard, thanks.
     
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    Why haven't I noticed this before? This looks absolutely epic. Great work!
     
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    A submarine with a flag. They didn't really think it through, did they?
     
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    OH, Plotinus, my friend! I just scratched the surface. :D George Garrett built the first one, the Resurgam (Latin: "I shall rise again" - & I know you'd know this ...) in 1878, after building a hand-cranked one (of the same name) the year before. Quite ingenious, really: steam stored in "bladders" to power the vessel when submerged. He teamed up with the Swedish industrialist Thorsten Nordenfelt shortly thereafter ... and then it was off to the races ...

    Here's a pic of the Ottoman submarine Abdül Hamid (in service 1880-1910) -

    Ottoman_submarine_Abdulhamid_1886.jpg
     
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    As someone once mentioned, "earlly 20 century was more steampunk them steampunk itself".
     
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    Indeed! - U.S. Army's Corps Of Engineers Steam Tank - 1918! -

    U.S. Army Corps Of Engineers Steam Tank 1918.png

    :D
     
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    Steampunk didn't end there. Training Pz II with a gas generator - the Wehrmacht saves gasoline:

     
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    Somewhere on here is a steam-powered sub that was done for me based on a submarine design by William Hovgaard, one of the leading warship designers around 1900. I just cannot find it.
     
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    I have not found the image as yet, but I do have the graphic used for the image. This was a steam submarine designed by William Hovgaard in 1887, and was perfectly doable.
     

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    "It won't fly, Mozhaisky, not even with the little flag on top."

    "Then we'll double the wing surface area!"

    "Are you sure?"

    "No, triple it!! goddammit, QUADRUPLE!!!"
     
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    I've brought you some more wonderful things.
    Steam helicopter by Gustave de Ponton d'Amecourt (could not take off):



    And a steam drone by Enrico Forlanini (took off for seconds):


     

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