Norvin_Green
Emperor
PPP sounds good except for switch to Machinery. Nidaros is driving our economy already so in Bureaucracy it is only going to get better. My vote would be to stick with it. We can go that way next.
LP1: That's the wrong end of the gun
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cripp7
Playin' Bored
Agree on going Machinery, can trade for Const. May go MC after Mac, if we pop a GS>Academy, GE can rush ??, GP/GA go for GA, GM hold for trade mission. Rushing out Izzy then German when we have cats/bezerks
dalamb
Deity
I'd prefer CS over Machinery for the same reasons as NG -- plus we need chain irrigation through Haithabu to irrigate its farm.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
I stuck with CS per the consensus. Explored. The whole continent is pretty much revealed. Pretty boring set. Otto is expanding on our borders and Suli is pushing down from the north. Sorry for the brevity; I'm a little pushed for time today.
160 - Bought Monarchy from Suli for Alpha + 45 gold.
161 - Uppsala worker -> market
162 - nada
163 - Birka monument -> market
164 - Nidaros work boat -> settler
165 - Haithabu CH ->market
166 - Switch Haithabu from market to settler
167 - 170 - nada
171 - CS -> metal casting; Nidaros settler -> axe; Bjorgvin rax -> CH; decrease science to 80%
172 & 173 - nada
174 Nidaros axe -> axe; Jelling founded
160 - Bought Monarchy from Suli for Alpha + 45 gold.
161 - Uppsala worker -> market
162 - nada
163 - Birka monument -> market
164 - Nidaros work boat -> settler
165 - Haithabu CH ->market
166 - Switch Haithabu from market to settler
167 - 170 - nada
171 - CS -> metal casting; Nidaros settler -> axe; Bjorgvin rax -> CH; decrease science to 80%
172 & 173 - nada
174 Nidaros axe -> axe; Jelling founded
dalamb
Deity
At some point we need to bite the bullet and spend some turns in anarchy to switch to bureaucracy / hereditary rule / organized religion.
Norvin_Green
Emperor
Can't see the save at the moment but generally our cities have pretty high happiness caps (at least as high as our health caps, if I recall) so it's possible we might delay or forgo HR. It is Suleiman's favorite civic though which will help gain diplo points if we go for Spain per Rex's suggestion (which I like). We will have a large enough tech lead that we might be able to bribe Germany & Ottoman into a war while we go for Izzy.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
can't wait on a GA for that, Admiral can plan it 1st turn in his set.Looking at the save, we didn't close the west gap and Fred is sending a settler through, don't know where he's going though.
Cities:
Nidros: why isn't it running scientists being at
cap, it's the best city to be a settler/worker pumpUppsala: can hire another scientist, can whip market
Hamburg: Have it start pumping units, archers/spears
Birka: switch market for library
Bjorgvin: unit pump! nothing but units coming from this city, switch mine > horse for the +1
tileWorkers:
Keep cottaging Hamburb, maybe a couple workshops
cancel the Uppsala farm road, start working floodplain cottage
Bjor start mining or chopping out units
Birka cottage floodplains
Izzy is spreading Buddha like crazy, finish MC > Machinery. Hopefully we can trade Fred for MC+?? >Const, maybe get HBR off Izzy for phants/cats for Fred war, taking over Izzy with swords/cats will be no problem.
Rex Tyrannus
280lbs of gross stupidity
Since Admiral already played, it would be me to revolt. I don't remember the turn count for our next great person, or the odds on which type. How long before we can reasonably expect a golden age?
@all, I'll put together a plan tonight and let the group review. I agree with most of the above city decisions except for pumping archers out anywhere. One or two are good for defending new conquests, but you can't take a city with archers past 2500BC.
Similar (but to a lesser extent) for spears. Good defense against horses, or going up against an enemy with mostly horses. Poor attackers.
For offense, we need axes and swords. Lots.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
We need our cities to grow a little before we start pumping stuff. I was thinking we keep growing to the happy limits, whip out some forges and start pumping.
Rex Tyrannus
280lbs of gross stupidity
Well, looking things over, I've decided that we do, indeed, have some crappy land. Hammers are at a minimum, as evidenced by the production graph that shows us just above Spain and half of Biz and Sully. Well, when life gives you crap, make crap-o-nade, right?
What are our advantages?
In tech, we're not bad. Most have horseback riding over us, Sully's got feudalism and Biz has construction. Military clearly only has one direction to go in my mind. Still, with our very limited production, we're going to have to whip.
A lot.
But not just yet.
With forges, our whips will be more efficient and the happiness from gold with the forges will help mitigate the citizen backlash. So, my plans for this set will be as follows:
Objections?
What are our advantages?
- Food, lot's thereof.
- Strategic resources: iron, horses, and elephants.
- Happiness resources: spices, beavers, gold, and ivory.
- Soft neighbors: Spain.
In tech, we're not bad. Most have horseback riding over us, Sully's got feudalism and Biz has construction. Military clearly only has one direction to go in my mind. Still, with our very limited production, we're going to have to whip.
A lot.
But not just yet.
With forges, our whips will be more efficient and the happiness from gold with the forges will help mitigate the citizen backlash. So, my plans for this set will be as follows:
- Only whip when a city is at its happiness limit or when a production is crucial (like the monument to get the gold).
- Build forges in our top three producing cities (at least) then whip a bit more in those cities.
- Settle the marble-fish-cows city with teh settler due in 5.
- Build one more settler (probably by whip in a food-happy city) for the iron city labeled "GP farm" on the map.
- Use the great scientist (due in 3) to start a golden age
- Switch civics to Hereditary Rule / Bureaucracy / Organized Religion
- After metal casting, go to machinery
- If possible, trade for either feudalism or construction, though I doubt either will be available
- Not pay too much attention to diplomacy because we're going to kill everyone anyway eventually
Objections?
cripp7
Playin' Bored
Only thing about 
ing at cap is making sure to have the city regrow on the next 1-3 turns. Otherwise it could build faster (given the 
output), but since we are short on s ing is best, just time it right, 2poping. Other than that, plan sounds good!
ing at cap is making sure to have the city regrow on the next 1-3 turns. Otherwise it could build faster (given the output), but since we are short on s ing is best, just time it right, 2poping. Other than that, plan sounds good!
Rex Tyrannus
280lbs of gross stupidity
Boy did I ever have a rough time getting this game going. I'm in the Gorgeous Cathy game and we're all using BULL mod and I'm starting to learn that swapping between BULL 4.3 and BUG 4.4 produces odd results. For instance, I was having a grand ol' time right up until I went to talk to Isabella and had no options. Just a blank diplo screen.
Sigh. For about the seventh time, I uninstalled one flavor of Bug and reinstalled another. I have (no kidding) nine different custom assets directories. Anyhow, on to the game.
I played 15 to get us up to an even number. Sorry, guess I'm OCD like that. My turns went well and pretty much as I expected. Autolog dump is in the spoiler below for anyone who wants to see the builds and sliders. Here're the highlights:
Oh, and way to go French world cup effort. (Just thought I'd say it.)
I did promise that I'd not pay any attention to diplo, so I started it off right, when the ottomans "asked" for CS.
Negative Ghostrider.
Good news on turn 2 when we got a border pop to include the gold. Yay.
I decided to keep the monument going anyway. We do need *some* culture, right? Especially since we just torched Antoine Lavoisier at the stake.
Take that Count Von Rumford! (Sorry, science jokes are never funny.) Anyway, I founded another city I can't spell.
Somewhere in there, we learnt to cast metal, but not to take screen shots. But look, Machinery taught us to press PrtScn.
And then Izzy was feeling all trade-y
But that's okay, because God smote us for it.
He does that sometimes.
Sigh. For about the seventh time, I uninstalled one flavor of Bug and reinstalled another. I have (no kidding) nine different custom assets directories. Anyhow, on to the game.
I played 15 to get us up to an even number. Sorry, guess I'm OCD like that. My turns went well and pretty much as I expected. Autolog dump is in the spoiler below for anyone who wants to see the builds and sliders. Here're the highlights:
Oh, and way to go French world cup effort. (Just thought I'd say it.)
I did promise that I'd not pay any attention to diplo, so I started it off right, when the ottomans "asked" for CS.
Negative Ghostrider.
Good news on turn 2 when we got a border pop to include the gold. Yay.
I decided to keep the monument going anyway. We do need *some* culture, right? Especially since we just torched Antoine Lavoisier at the stake.
Take that Count Von Rumford! (Sorry, science jokes are never funny.) Anyway, I founded another city I can't spell.
Somewhere in there, we learnt to cast metal, but not to take screen shots. But look, Machinery taught us to press PrtScn.
And then Izzy was feeling all trade-y
But that's okay, because God smote us for it.
He does that sometimes.
Spoiler :
dalamb
Deity
I haven't been online much for a few days, so sorry I didn't comment earlier. I was surprised at burning the GS for a golden age -- I thought first GS was going to build an academy. In any case, I'll try to log in again tomorrow to see what plan our next player presents.
Norvin_Green
Emperor
I agree that the GS would definitely have been better spent on a Nidaros academy but such is life. Let's generate another scientist somewhere and we'll be good to go.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
The GS started the GA that got us thru the anarchy. No problem using it that way. Rex did what he said was going to.
We have 2 spots to backfill. Suggest we out those settlers asap.
AI city placement sucks (as usual)
Count Von Rumsford? Is there a chimney bonus? :LOL:
Hook up the spices.
whip some CHs and markets.
See war in about 3-4 sets with the target as Cordoba. mostly zerks and cats.
Moai in Roslidke.
Build up the bank, build up the infrastructure and build lots of cats to prepare go after Izzy.
once eng is done, switch any cat production to trebs.
If I haven't made it clear, 1st target is Izzy then Germans.
And PLEASE, someone using small words and short sentences, explain to me why the Uppsala farm can't be converted to a cottage?
Sorry for being petulant.
We have 2 spots to backfill. Suggest we
out those settlers asap.AI city placement sucks (as usual)
Count Von Rumsford? Is there a chimney bonus? :LOL:
Hook up the spices.
whip some CHs and markets.
See war in about 3-4 sets with the target as Cordoba. mostly zerks and cats.
Moai in Roslidke.
Build up the bank, build up the infrastructure and build lots of cats to prepare go after Izzy.
once eng is done, switch any cat production to trebs.
If I haven't made it clear, 1st target is Izzy then Germans.
And PLEASE, someone using small words and short sentences, explain to me why the Uppsala farm can't be converted to a cottage?
Sorry for being petulant.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
The GS started the GA that got us thru the anarchy. No problem using it that way. Rex did what he said was going to.
We have 2 spots to backfill. Suggest we
AI city placement sucks (as usual)
Count Von Rumsford? Is there a chimney bonus? :LOL:
Hook up the spices.
whip some CHs and markets.
See war in about 3-4 sets with the target as Cordoba. mostly zerks and cats.
Moai in Roslidke.
Build up the bank, build up the infrastructure and build lots of cats to prepare go after Izzy.
once eng is done, switch any cat production to trebs.
If I haven't made it clear, 1st target is Izzy then Germans.
All sounds good, will redo our iron.
Workers are being lazy
Sure can change that. Let me look at the save more closely and write up a plan.
Rex Tyrannus
280lbs of gross stupidity
If I remember correctly, our next great person is another 100% scientist, due in about 20 turns. Those 30 or so turns of not having an academy in Nidaros probably is just about equal to the cost of no hammers, beakers, or commerce for three turns. Factor in the other benefits of a golden age and I justify the decision. At least enough for me.
Farm in upsala, if that was my doing (don't remember, too lazy to check) it was because I saw a hammer deficiency to be mitigated via slavery. More units = more conquest = more commerce. Same end, different means.
Farm in upsala, if that was my doing (don't remember, too lazy to check) it was because I saw a hammer deficiency to be mitigated via slavery. More units = more conquest = more commerce. Same end, different means.
cripp7
Playin' Bored
@Rex
I support your decision, get more bang for the buck doing that.
ppp
Cities:
Nidros: switch to worker>cat until iron is back on, hire 2 scientist
Uppsala: whip market grow into court
Hait: finish market>
until cap>worker
Birka: whip market, grow into library
Bjor: switch to chariots/cats until iron, wb here and there for GP farms
Jelling: whip monument @pop2>granary
Rosk: ^^
New city: ^^
Workers:
cancel Uppsala cottage start mine
GP farm goto corn
need more workers!
Settle new city
not much really, keep an eye on trades, get the spices hooked up for trades
I support your decision, get more bang for the buck doing that.
ppp
Cities:
Nidros: switch to worker>cat until iron is back on, hire 2 scientist
Uppsala: whip market grow into court
Hait: finish market>
until cap>workerBirka: whip market, grow into library
Bjor: switch to chariots/cats until iron, wb here and there for GP farms
Jelling: whip monument @pop2>granary
Rosk: ^^
New city: ^^
Workers:
cancel Uppsala cottage start mine
GP farm goto corn
need more workers!
Settle new city
not much really, keep an eye on trades, get the spices hooked up for trades
dalamb
Deity
Yes, he did; but I was offline between plan and execution. I've discovered that the pains in my shoulder are a repetitive strain injury from overuse of the computer, so I've been offline too much lately. Sorry. I'd better drop out.
