Mac?

I personally cannot stand not having a right mouse button. I'm not a fan of the Mac layout. I rarely deal with pictures or music. I need to use engineering programs sometimes. I like my games modable. Macs are not an option for me.


We are about to get rid of our mac. My sister won it in a contest last year, but it was already kind of old and it has been getting slower and slower and is now all but unusable. She is getting rid of it and her also barely functional 8 year old laptop (which also lacks a power cord as mine broke and I took hers) in exchange for a new laptop, which I may help her pick out this afternoon.
 
There are people whose sole purpose ISNT gaming!? Man, they must be really addicted to that new RL mod.
Yes, everyone who isn't a teenage boy.

Gaming is one of the least important uses of my computer. Even so, I do occasionally play UT2004, Heroes of Might and Magic, Halo, Starcraft, Warcraft, C&C Generals, Civilisation, Escape Velocity, Geneforge, Half-Life and am considering buying Fable.

By far and away, though, I use my computer for web browsing (Firefox), IM chat (Adium), producing scientific documents (LaTeX), producing scientific diagrams (Intaglio) and graphing (Grapher).

Modern macs are more or less the same hardware you'd get if you bought a windows machine but in a shiny aluminum cover. The main difference, as you've noted, is the boot process. All bootcamp does is get the system into a state where windows can take over. After that, it's identical to any other machine as far as windows is concerned. Windows is not being run under any sort of emulation when you boot it up via Boot Camp. If you're interested in virtualization, Ars Technica has a running series on the ins and outs from a geeky technical perspective. There are a large number of variations ranging from a 10%ish slowdown to the 10-100x slowdown you'll see in your mentioned C64 emulator.
What I was saying was basically that, but that there is a layer of emulation required even in Boot Camp to emulate BIOS. Like I said, this might be an out-of-date problem and there might have been a fix to it in the last few years, but it certainly used to be true.

OnionSoilder said:
Umm... no. There are quite a few viruses for mac, and while Windows does have more, nothing can save users from themselves. People who think their macs are virus-immune are more likely to get infected than windows users, because they don't take any antivirus precautions.
Statistically speaking, Mac users who treat their computers as virus immune are still far less likely to have their computers infected than the average Windows user.

"Quite a few"? The number's about 26. It goes up to a couple of hundred if you add in exploits when you use Microsoft software on a Mac (namely Word). ~71,000 are about if you're on a PC.

Still, while it's absolutely true that you're very safe on a Mac even without any antivirus software, it's not actually by merit of Apple's security. It's just a fact of the market. Mac OS computers are actually marginally less secure than Windows computers – just a little bit. Really, 'merit' isn't involved either way though. Apple hasn't had to bother much about security because the fact is, you can use a Mac on the Internet for years with no antivirus software and never have a single problem.

I personally cannot stand not having a right mouse button. I'm not a fan of the Mac layout. I rarely deal with pictures or music. I need to use engineering programs sometimes. I like my games modable. Macs are not an option for me.
One thing I will say: even if you're buying a new Mac with a Mighty Mouse, screw it and get a… Microsoft mouse. I don't like much that Microsoft makes, but mice are a different matter.
 
71,000, and I have had all of 0. Granted, I have good security software.
 
What I was saying was basically that, but that there is a layer of emulation required even in Boot Camp to emulate BIOS. Like I said, this might be an out-of-date problem and there might have been a fix to it in the last few years, but it certainly used to be true.
I must not have been clear. When running under boot camp, there is NO emulation going on. The method for getting a mac motherboard up and running (EFI) is simply different from what windows expects (BIOS). Boot camp takes care of getting the system into a state where Windows can run. Boot camp has always worked this way. The biggest change over the years has been the quality of the windows drivers for the mac hardware, which (as always) makes a major difference in games.
 
Doesn't Ubuntu have practically nil viruses?
 
If an OS has virtually no viruses, then not enough people use it.

Simple as that.
 
Changing the subject to what the original poster was talking about, Fall from Heaven II does not work on a mac, as (Being a mac-user myself) I have sadly discovered. There is a version of Fall from Heaven I that will function, though I'm not sure where I found it, which has some of FFHII's shiny stuff but not all.

In addition, Aspyr (The company that ports Civ to the Mac) has been working on a way to load custom DLLs into mac games, but when last I heard they were nowhere near ready to release. Hope is not lost, but playing Age of Ice might be our only recourse until such time as they bring it out.
 
Mac n' Cheese! :D
 
I have A 2008 13inch macbook and i bought an external hard drive for it. also i have installed several security precautions because of the cyberworm virus. it runs like speed of light. all aspyer has to do is find a way to convert windows mods to mac. and it is much easier to installl a mod on a mac because of its user friendly capeabilitys
 
Macs have there perks but when it comes down to it, for the hardware a given mac computer has its a LOT more expensive then a PC. Not to mention if you want to use Bootcamp you have to Buy windows on top of your already overpriced mac.
Personally I would never buy or ecommend a mac. It would be like telling someone to buy a HD DVD player.
 
Macs have there perks but when it comes down to it, for the hardware a given mac computer has its a LOT more expensive then a PC. Not to mention if you want to use Bootcamp you have to Buy windows on top of your already overpriced mac.
Personally I would never buy or ecommend a mac. It would be like telling someone to buy a HD DVD player.

Option A: if you are getting a Mac you probably had Windows previously, you can use those discs
Option B: Be a Lanun :mischief:
 
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