Mafia: The League of EEEEEVIL!!! [Game Thread - Concluded]

[choxorn]

His injury healed several days ago.

 

[Takhisis]

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. RETURNING TO SECRET LAB."

Illuminati, maybe? I don't know enough about Gargoyles.

Kennigit, didn't you say you knew something about that?

Before they died Sprig and BSmith sent me my suspicions: edse, you will speak.

Are we sure Samsniped was blocked? Cause for some weird reason I was blocked and I don't think a blocker would target me. Maybe Samsniped's block was bussed at me?

Why don't you answer, edse?

ok, tailless gave a sufficient explaination
Vote: samsniped

no KimPossiblekill and you were blocked. Any last words?

There was another killer, i.e. Samurai Jack. Another more or less unquestionable 'good' killer.

So tell me if I've got this straight. Kim Possible and Samurai Jack are the two known goody two shoes. Azula and the giant death robot were vigilantes. If the robot is a vigilante why did he attack Bsmith when I thought it was agreed that he was quite villainous?

Why is the robot considered to be a vigilante? He could be anything.

Vote: Takhisis. Looking over the previous days it stood out to me how shifty Takhisis was in his voting. He jumped around with ease and seemed to lack conviction in his votes. There is no need to have all of our votes on Sam sniped at this point, he is comfortably in the lead.

Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but… What? I was probing people just like you are now.

 

[azzaman333]

spaceman.

On the one hand, he didn't get the PM telling him so until just before Night ends (6:59pm our time, night ended just after 7pm). On the other hand, a robot would be bulletproof...

Spaceman has more or less been confirmed as having been attacked by the giant robot. So it seems highly unlikely that he's the giant robot.

As far as I know, only me.

I think the robot is an SK, or possibly part of a second mafia team.

Robot is almost certainly hostile to town.

Vote: Takhisis. Looking over the previous days it stood out to me how shifty Takhisis was in his voting. He jumped around with ease and seemed to lack conviction in his votes. There is no need to have all of our votes on Sam sniped at this point, he is comfortably in the lead.

Except Takhisis is my mason partner, confirmed by my role PM to be town.

Are we sure Samsniped was blocked? Cause for some weird reason I was blocked and I don't think a blocker would target me. Maybe Samsniped's block was bussed at me?

You being picked to be blocked is not surprising.

 

[Kennigit]

Are we sure Samsniped was blocked? Cause for some weird reason I was blocked and I don't think a blocker would target me. Maybe Samsniped's block was bussed at me?

2 blocks should have happened, now seeing that kim possible didn't attack and samurai jack did something changed from the scum team. It's possible if tailless and you are scum or something that could be coordinated well.

I hope you talk about what you are soon.

Kennigit, didn't you say you knew something about that?

not that I know of

 

[Takhisis]

For what little help it can give…

though from my role, I have a minor-enough-character-but-rememberable-for-anyone-who-watched-the-show that a robot bad guy could be in anything really.

That.

 

[spaceman98]

I am going to vote: edse. Both SamSniped and edse are good lynches and since there is already a bandwagon on SamSniped, I see no reason not to spread around the votes.

 

[choxorn]

Mid-Day Tally:

SamSniped: 5 (Darth Feather, Kennigit, Buddhafish, dcmort93, taillesskangaru)
edse: 2 (Takhisis, spaceman98)
Takhisis: 1 (Frozen in Ice)

Not Voting: 8 (Autolycus, azzaman333, edse, Jarrema, Mat93, SamSniped, topsecret, Visorslash)

 

[Jarrema]

Except Takhisis is my mason partner, confirmed by my role PM to be town.

Interesting reveal.

As for my vote, I will wait for Sam Sniped. I think he is good lynch candidate, but havent chance to defend yet.

 

[spaceman98]

After some further thought, I'm beginning to think that voting for people who were roleblocked isn't such a good idea. It is true that Kim Possible didn't kill today, but that doesn't mean she was roleblocked. If the killer was roleblocked, there would have been no kill, not a kill by another killer. This means that one of two things is true:

1: Kim Possible, for whatever reason was never intended to kill today (perhaps she was absent? or perhaps she was using a different ability?)

or

2: The Mafia somehow learned that they were being roleblocked in the middle of the night, and changed their kill order to a different killer.

Per Occam's Razor, I find hypothesis one much simpler of an explanation than 2. Lets be clear, this by no means clears SamSniped and edse. They are both lurkers, who have done little to help the town, and who have given us no reason to not lynch them. However, I don't think they are likely mafia. Instead, I would like to propose a new case:

unvote: vote: Mat.

First, recognize that Mat is generally a relatively active player. Now, look at his track record throughout this game:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12965168#post12965168 Day one. Nothing to see here.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12974348#post12974348 A post with the appearance of substance, but much of the post's content is vague and unhelpful. The only substantive contribution there is opposing the Celt/parts lurkerhunt, an action which doesn't seem very scummy, but doesn't bespeak townness either.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12979931#post12979931 Note that he/she consistently makes reference to "gut feeling" votes toward neverwon. Basically, these votes aren't bandwagoning, so he cannot be accused of following the crowd, they aren't lurking (he's saying stuff!), and yet make absolutely no splash, one way or another. Perfect way for mafia to hide: Not too inactive, but utterly meaningless. On the other hand, mat makes some comments that support likely townie Taki's story.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12979975#post12979975 relatively substantive post regarding takhisis

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12987634#post12987634 Once again, its a post in which stuff is written, but a deliberate effort is made NOT to say anything. Just read the following gem:

I also read spaceman as being scummy, but due to my habit of reading him wrong, I think hes probably townie/evil.

. Once again, its not bandwagoning, its not lurking, and yet, because it has no opinion, its not contributing anything either.

And that is all. From a normally active player, I expected better. SamSniped is often inactive, and has explained his inactivity in thread many times. Mat has yet to do so.

 

[Tee Kay]

Per Occam's Razor, wouldn't it be more likely that no Kim Possible kill meant a Good Guy was blocked ?

 

[azzaman333]

Limited use in jumping further on SamSniped for now, so hearing some more from Mat93 would be nice.

But I would like to hear an explanation from SamSniped regarding last night's roleblock.

 

[Darth Feather]

Limited use in jumping further on SamSniped for now, so hearing some more from Mat93 would be nice.

But I would like to hear an explanation from SamSniped regarding last night's roleblock.

Me too, and I would like to hear a role-claim. Preferably one that can be checked.

 

[topsecret]

We're not gonna win this is we stay this inactive.
I'll add some pressure to Mat, and I suggest for others to do the same, unless they have something better, or they know a good reason not to lynch him.

 

[Darth Feather]

We're not gonna win this is we stay this inactive.
I'll add some pressure to Mat, and I suggest for others to do the same, unless they have something better, or they know a good reason not to lynch him.

Well... mat did claim a role, whereas Samsniped, Auto, edse and FII didn't. So I would again urge thos to contact me and say something about their role.

 

[Jarrema]

And that is all. From a normally active player, I expected better. SamSniped is often inactive, and has explained his inactivity in thread many times. Mat has yet to do so.

quite good argument, and you put some effort into it. I wish others (and myself) try as hard

vote: Mat, as a counter-wagon

 

[Mat93]

First, recognize that Mat is generally a relatively active player. Now, look at his track record throughout this game:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12979931#post12979931 Note that he consistently makes reference to "gut feeling" votes toward neverwon. Basically, these votes aren't bandwagoning, so he cannot be accused of following the crowd, they aren't lurking (he's saying stuff!), and yet make absolutely no splash, one way or another. Perfect way for mafia to hide: Not too inactive, but utterly meaningless. On the other hand, mat makes some comments that support likely townie Taki's story.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12987634#post12987634 Once again, its a post in which stuff is written, but a deliberate effort is made NOT to say anything. Just read the following gem:

I also read spaceman as being scummy, but due to my habit of reading him wrong, I think hes probably townie/evil.

Once again, its not bandwagoning, its not lurking, and yet, because it has no opinion, its not contributing anything either.

And that is all. From a normally active player, I expected better. SamSniped is often inactive, and has explained his inactivity in thread many times. Mat has yet to do so.

Snipped a bit, because the rest is either not about me, or I completely agree with it.

First bit...you are right it is vague, but at that point there was/is little evidence, we had the case on sprig, the one on Takhisis, and then ones on lurkers (as far as I remember)...and due to my night results, as BSmith had/passed on to I'm not entirely sure who, I had nothing further from which to build a case on...

So I did comment on 2 of those being against it, and with having no knowledge of why BSmith was suspicious of Sprig, changing from that case when BSmith did makes sense to me, due to his greater information on...pretty much everything.

Also:

I think hes probably townie/evil.

means I have no opinion? I have no evidence to support that opinion (or more accurately, at the time had no evidence), but that is definitely an opinion.


I do agree I have been more inactive than normal this game, but this is mostly due to still recovering from an operation I had at the beginning of December, so because of the general lack of energy from that, my activity is less than normal.



I do also agree that it is likely the scum changed killers tonight, but why? I don't know how they could know they were roleblocked, and I doubt it was another ability otherwise it would be likely they would use it from the start. Personal goal being completed is my best guess at it.

 

[Takhisis]

So we're back to prodding the lurkers. Speaking of which, edse, where art thou?

 

[Kennigit]

See azza has been vouching for takhisis as a mason, but both refuse to talk abilities.

Isn't too unreasonable for scum to claim

 

[Takhisis]

What?

 

[spaceman98]

Well... mat did claim a role, whereas Samsniped, Auto, edse and FII didn't. So I would again urge thos to contact me and say something about their role.

Wait, Mat has a claimed and confirmed private roleclaim? unvote: vote SamSniped. Would you be willing to share it with me?

See azza has been vouching for takhisis as a mason, but both refuse to talk abilities.

Isn't too unreasonable for scum to claim

This is plausible, though unlikely. Taki/Azzaman, does either of you have any abilities, aside from masonry?