El Justo
Deity
so we will basically have "Two Game 7's" on friday night. not sure how i feel about that.
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Major League Baseball 2012 Season
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KMRblue1027
The Crown!
Oakland is AL West Champs. Now all that needs to happen is a BAL win and NYY loss. Hilarity Ensues.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Don't forget that Trout scored more runs and stole more bases than Cabrera, so it is not like it is going to be easy to decide that title. He was also not that far off in the other categories had he started from the beginning of the season.
KMRblue1027
The Crown!
He shouldn't but he will. Factoring in SB and baserunning runs Trout is almost as effective a batter as Miggy and when factoring defense it's not even close. Sadly RBI's are still somehow considered the Most Important Stat Ever (TM) and DET made the playoffs. It will take an insane upset for BBWAA for Trout to win.
Darkness
Shadow creature
I love it. I get to see the Cards playing for their postseason loves this friday night.
IMHO thise 2 WC per league system is great for baseball. It makes winning the division so much more important.
Regarding Cabrera vs Trout:
Cabrera should win it easily. The triple crown is just too big to ignore. But Trout's WAR of 10.7 is pretty damn impressive for a 21-year-old. And his defense is great, but I expect the voters will go more for the "standard" stats (avg, RBI, HR) then for defense, WAR, SB, runs...
El Justo
Deity
for a cards fan, yeah, i bet you like it. you would be on the sidelines if not.
it's the one game play-in/play-off that is weird for me. you play all season long...make it to the so-called postseason...and then all eggs in a one game basket. meh. counter-intuitive to what the baseball season is, a grind. make it a series, not a one gamer. same for the divisional series. 5 games? too few. i want 7 games
it's the one game play-in/play-off that is weird for me. you play all season long...make it to the so-called postseason...and then all eggs in a one game basket. meh. counter-intuitive to what the baseball season is, a grind. make it a series, not a one gamer. same for the divisional series. 5 games? too few. i want 7 games
Lambert Simnel
One across
for a cards fan, yeah, i bet you like it. you would be on the sidelines if not.
it's the one game play-in/play-off that is weird for me. you play all season long...make it to the so-called postseason...and then all eggs in a one game basket. meh. counter-intuitive to what the baseball season is, a grind. make it a series, not a one gamer. same for the divisional series. 5 games? too few. i want 7 games
Agreed. One game play-offs are just about acceptable as a tie-breaker, but as an integral part of post-season, bleh.
Of course I'm not going to want the Cards to lose or something numpty like that, and no, I won't consider their forthcoming 2012 WS Championship to be somewhat lesser because they only got in through the extra WC - you just play by the rules as they are set. But the rules are dorky.
To be fair, I can see what Darkness means about it making winning the division more important - but really, it just makes having the 4th best record much less useful than it was previously (exactly half as useful, really). Some greater differentiation between winning a division and gaining a wildcard isn't a bad consequence, but one game play-offs are still dorky and against the nature of baseball.
El Justo
Deity
dorky - perfect i like it.
i like it.Not to mention winning the League. Home field at the LCS is good and all, but going into the LDS with your opponent's Ace most likely burned and not available until game 3 is huge. Plus I like the bonus of dumping the "you can't play a team from your division in the LDS" rule.
That is what will happen, but not what should happen.
The playoff argument is hilarious because they Angels were the team more deserving of being in the post-season with a better record than the Tigers who just happen to be in the worst division in the AL (if not MLB).
As for the "it's been 45 years since the last triple crown winner" well, Trout's stats are pretty much unprecedented, they just don't fall in the big three traditional categories (well, average is only .004 behind Cabrera). Overall Trout has pretty much an equal offensive impact, but comes out well ahead on defence.
But in the end, both are more than worthy of the MVP and I can't complain about either receiving it.
El Justo
Deity
trout may very well end up winning a triple crown himself at some point. so i say we should all appreciate what carbrera has accomplished. it is rarefied air as far as i'm concerned it is almost an automatic MVP stamp imho.
it is almost an automatic MVP stamp imho.The thing about Cabrera for me is: An opposing team goes over the Tiger's lineup before a game. They see Cabrera's name and the manager, pitching coach and everybody else says "we can't let THAT GUY beat us"... what does Cabrera do?
He keeps raking and beating them.
He keeps raking and beating them.
El Justo
Deity
that's the amazing part, right? i guess hitting in front of fielder doesn't hurt either, eh?
trout may very well end up winning a triple crown himself at some point. so i say we should all appreciate what carbrera has accomplished. it is rarefied air as far as i'm concerned
Most seasons he would unquestionably be the MVP. It just happens that two players had such incredible seasons in the same league this year.
My biggest issue with the idea that "he won the triple crown, so he gets MVP" comes down to the idea that if Hamilton had hit two dingers last night and Cabrera had an outstanding game, but no home run, he loses the MVP. That would be ridiculous. One player's performance in a different game shoudn't take the MVP from someone like that (unless they earn themselves the award).
In addition to it only looking at three stats, one of which (RBI) is at least as dependent on the batters ahead of him in the lineup as his skill. While the main arguement against using runs scored as a useful metric is the exact opposite, it is highly dependent on the hitters following in the lineup.
El Justo
Deity
that's almost like saying "if so-and-so hadn't squirted that ball past the shortstop, so-and-so would have had a perfect game".
i guess it boils down to who really is most valuable, to their team that is. both squads made the playoffs. so it's hard to call. i would probably lean trout in that case. but it's a stats award, has been for years. and a triple crown is breathtaking imo.
i guess it boils down to who really is most valuable, to their team that is. both squads made the playoffs. so it's hard to call. i would probably lean trout in that case. but it's a stats award, has been for years. and a triple crown is breathtaking imo.
El Justo
Deity
i just read a stat in today's daily rag saying that atlanta has won 23 consecutive games that SP kris medlin has started, dating back to 2010. said it was the longest streak in the modern era 
SamSniped
DJ Goodboye
I support the Giants, just because i can. And MLB 2K9
Yep. Hopefully my other home team (Brewers) do well next year.
Yes. Down with the evil Yankees regime!
Gone out the window with the dodgers trade.Doesn't do any good if Bobby V has other plans.Where is the dignity in Boston?
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