Graadiapolistan said:
The celts lived in sedentary villiages on the most part, no? The Germanic people mostly to the north lived in small villiages for the most part also.
Not quite; it was the Germans who were the migratory nomads during this time, just trace the history fo the Goths; they began in Scandania, they end up in eastern europe (and for that matter, are by then arguabley more Roman in culture, and eastern european in blood then anything "germanic" at all)
The celts developed advanced arts and city building techniques, then they were (on the most part) conqured by the Romans, not annexed, conqured. Then, the Roman empire collapsed, and Germanic tribes gained power in western europe. Much of what was left of traditional celtic society was destroyed. Many celts moved to remote locations such as Ireland.
I gots news for you; Celtic culture never spread anywhere after the Romans conqoured anything; it was already well in place in areas such as Ireland by the time the Romans conqoured Gual, let alone Brittannia; in fact, the
opposite of what you claim happens; celtic culture
respreads back to the mainland of Europe after germanic usurpations of Roman rule, which, at the time, was almost devoid of anythign Celtic at all, in the form of the area of north western France known as "Brittany" Celts re-migrated to mainland europe, and reinstalled thier culture in an area where the onyl city of Note was a Roman colony, founded centuries earlyer by retired Roman veterans given land grants. In fact, the general mood of the times in firmlly celtic areas such as Britian was that Celtic cultre was
re-emerging, unusualy since Roman culture had been well adopted in this region
The celtic culture, did however effect many other european culures. In previous psots the term "celts" is used loosely to describe many peoples who were of different ancestry, but have cultural relations with the celts. Almost all celtic tribes were stock rearing, although several tribes were nomadic, although they had domesticated animals and plants.
1)name me the nomadic celtic tribes then; I can provide you with both lists and maps of settled, firmlly estbalished celtic sub-nations, yet you merelly claim that the celts were nomadic with NO proof substantiing your claim; put you money where your mouth is, or retract the claim.
2)so people all have to be of the same ancestry to be a civlization? well, we better take out Rome, America, England (or Britian), China, France, Germany, Mali, in fact, once you down to it, thier
are no civlizations with only one ethnic make up; and indeed, the most successful cultures, such as Rome for example, made it easy for people not of the central ethnicty to gain status in thier societies, such as the rest of the Itallian peninsula, or the Spanish and Illyrians for examples of that
3)"nomadic", and use utilizing domesticated plants and animals are contradictory concepts; you cant be nomadic, and still utilize domesticated plants, such as wheat, which by all means, was a heavy staple of the celtic diet; you have to be settled down, in permanent settlements to farm, and thats just a fact of life.
My main point, and this can't be argued, is that the celts were a cultural group, not an empire.
[I think the Greeks in civilization III represent macedonia, but are called the Greeks for marketing reaons/quote]
of course it can be argued, as most everythign else you stated can be, and to that end, it will be; yes, the Celts werent an EMpire, but then, neither were the Greeks; your passing thought of "The Greeks represent macedonia" is a cop-out, a save of face because thier is no other defense for that particuler line argument, and its a shallow one at that.
were the celts one empire? No, they were several, and in some cases, like Gallica, every bit as advanced, and cultured as the peoples around them
This is why the celts should not be included as a CIV in civlization IV, perhaps as a minor nation or tribe
what, because you say so, without offering a single iota of tangable evidence?
hardley; the Celts diserve to be in civlization if, for no other reason, then to help to clear up thier bum reputations for being Barbarians, as the picture is quite clear, given another century or two, they woudl have developed a civlization as sophistacted, and likelly along the same lines as (they all came from the same base culture mind you) as the Greeks and Romans themselves created
, but here I have to say Xen is entirely correct.
