Mandatory Abortion

[Fishheads]

oh dear i need some soma after reading this post hehe

seeing how he did make the mistake only means he's a Epsilon :_P

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[Admiral]

Penvzila's 8th and 9th ideas were good.

Unfortunately I think most child abusers carry on for a LONG time unoticed. So a backround check would solve only half the problem.

Easier access to contraceptives has got to be a good idea.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Actually, the strongest objection I can bring to bear is that under his rules, there will rapidly be no more poor people to exploit, leaving all the rich people to do all the hard work. That's just unacceptable.

Of course, the two fives thing is just outrageous...

(BTW, in case you didn't realize it, I'm being sarcastic. Fascism on this level is truly frightening.)

 

[Brad]

NO more RELIGIOUS BULLSHITE??????? I am a Jehovahs Witness and I like EVERYONE ELSE (yes even crack whores and people who live on the street) is ENTITLEd to and opinion.. no matter how much you don't like it. Normally I don't speak my mind in response to people like you (I use the term people\person very loosly) but I feel I must in this case. The bible is clear on God's view about this. Now I admit it doesn't use the word abortion... but God views life (even in the womb) very and I repeat VERY sacredly. If a person injured a woman in bible times and she was pregnant and the baby died because of the injury, even if she lived, he would be KILLED for murder. Now I admit the embryo can't voice his or her opinion on things he or she is still a living creature as soon as your little thick headed swimmer finds that egg. Just because the people who bring life into the world aren't in the best situation doesn't mean you have to take their ability to procreate away. Anyone under 26 shouldn't have a kid??? What is wrong with you? My brother is under 26 and he has 2 and is supporting 2 very healthy active cute kids quite nicely. So if I may say so... SHUT UP
Oh and by the by; How in the World is Religion and Teen Pregnancy related? have you ever gone to church or even read the Bible...? Churches are not a place of teenage orgys you jack@$$, in fact as one of Jehovahs Witnesses people aren't alllowed to have sex unless they are married to each other... how exactly is that encouraging unwanted teen pregnacies? how about getting your facts straight before you make a stupid unthought out statement!

(By the way not all of us JW's are as forward as I am)

[This message has been edited by Brad (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

[penvzila]

I never said teen pregnancy and religion were related, MORON. If you object to the post, at least READ it.

 

[Caligastia]

Penzvilla raises a good point, but I think his rules are not really workable.
I think this would be a better policy:

-Government gives a $2000 bonus to anyone 18-25 that gets sterilized.
-Government gives a $200 bonus to the top 1% of Intelligent, Healthy people to give sperm or eggs.
-Government gives a $2000 bonus to any woman who gets In Vetro Fertilization from the top 1%

Results:
-Government saves money on Welfare
-Government saves money on Health care
-Government saves money on Criminal justice system
-Lower taxes for everyone
-More intelligent and healthy workforce
-Economy booms
-Nobody gets hurt, everyone that participates is a volunteer
-Future generations have better genetics
-Everyone wins

Explanation:
The $2000 bonuses will be very appealing to Unhealthy, low IQ, unproductive people with low incomes and bad genetics. With this program for the first time they will has the opportunity to make money and have children with the genetic advantage of the top 1%. We can actually use our technology to give future generations better genetics instead of worse. There is no point in offering sterilization incentives after 25 years of age because many people become sterilized with out an incentive. The children of women that get impregnated by the top 1% are much less likely to need medical attention, be on welfare, or commit crimes during there lifetimes, which will save the government(taxpayers) money. The $2000 bonuses will likely not be appealing to most people because they will probably want to have kids with their own genes. The only effect this Humane and Compassionate Eugenics Program will have on the average person is lower taxes and a booming economy. The greatest impact of this program will be on future generations. The will have the cumulative effect of better genetics, instead of worse, every generation.

 

[Magnus]

Good lord, Caligastia, what's with all this elitist crap? Who decides who is 'in' and who is 'out'? The wealthy, that's who. Just one more way to screw the poor - or at least the 99% have nots who hold less than 50% of the wealth. Where is Karl Marx when you need him most?

 

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Magnus:
Good lord, Caligastia, what's with all this elitist crap? Who decides who is 'in' and who is 'out'? The wealthy, that's who. Just one more way to screw the poor - or at least the 99% have nots who hold less than 50% of the wealth. Where is Karl Marx when you need him most?

We need to improve on the gene pool. I think we can all agree that intelligence, honesty and good health are what we should be passing on to future generations.
Karl Marx is one of the many mistaken egalitarians who think that genes have no influence and that a persons environment is what makes them intelligent or not.

 

[Magnus]

Honesty is genetic?

You still haven't said who decides. What is the criteria? How much more power do you think the state needs? This is just Nazism disguised as science.

 

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Magnus:
Honesty is genetic?

Yes, to a degree.

Originally posted by Magnus:
You still haven't said who decides.

Who decides what? Intelligence and health are easy enough for any doctor to measure. All sperm and egg donors will take an IQ test and get a physical examination. Testing for genetic diseases would be a good idea too.

Originally posted by Magnus:What is the criteria? How much more power do you think the state needs? This is just Nazism disguised as science.

Criteria for what?

This does not give the state any power over anyone, all sterilizations are completely voluntary.

How is this Nazism? Nazi Germany never implimented this policy.



[This message has been edited by Caligastia (edited June 06, 2001).]

 

[penvzila]

I'm glad to see some intelligent replies to this topic. The need for the rights of the individual and protection from opression overrides the "need" for a perfect gene pool. There are easier ways to do that, ie not inbreeding, OPTIONAL gene therapy (when it is available.)

A recurring theme which i have trouble with is this Naszi crap. You idiots need to learn who and what the Nazis were/are, and revaluate your alleged thoughts.

 

[Magnus]

Caligastia, what you are recommending is genocide of the poor and of the 'unfit'. albeit slowly and with cash and a big smile, like they are stupid or something. Your ideas are deplorable. I hope you are just young and naive, and that you will eventually grow out of this nonsense. that is your only excuse.

 

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Magnus:
Caligastia, what you are recommending is genocide of the poor and of the 'unfit'. albeit slowly and with cash and a big smile, like they are stupid or something. Your ideas are deplorable. I hope you are just young and naive, and that you will eventually grow out of this nonsense. that is your only excuse.

Genocide? Not at all! This proposal of mine is completely voluntary. Nobody is being forced to do anything. You are the one who is naive if you think that the health and sanity of our population will get better on its own. So far the only response you have given is emotional. I have yet to hear a coherent argument from you.

 

[Magnus]

Well, do you really think such a law would ever be passed? Why don't you try to get a referundum started and tell me how it goes. Would YOU sterilize yourself for 2 grand? How would you like to be told, you are too stupid, lazy, genetically defective and poor to have kids?
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Quote: by Caligastia:

"...The $2000 bonuses will be very appealing to Unhealthy, low IQ, unproductive people with low incomes and bad genetics..."
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and yes, I am 100% emotional person, my heart leads the way and my brain struggles to keep up, but I accept that 'flaw'.

 

[Siggy]

Well, Penzvilla: the only sensible thing I saw was written in point 9. I will not even react to other bullfeathers I read in this topic.

 

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Magnus:
Well, do you really think such a law would ever be passed? Why don't you try to get a referundum started and tell me how it goes. Would YOU sterilize yourself for 2 grand? How would you like to be told, you are too stupid, lazy, genetically defective and poor to have kids?
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Quote: by Caligastia:

"...The $2000 bonuses will be very appealing to Unhealthy, low IQ, unproductive people with low incomes and bad genetics..."
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and yes, I am 100% emotional person, my heart leads the way and my brain struggles to keep up, but I accept that 'flaw'.

Nobody will be told they are too stupid, lazy, genetically defective or poor to have kids. I really dont think you are grasping the fact that in my proposal sterilization is voluntary. I personally would not sterilize myself for 2 grand, but thats because I dont need the money.

You admit that your heart leads the way. Unfortunately good decisions are not made on the basis of emotions. It may take some time before a proposal like this is ever adopted, but eventually it will be.

 

[BorderPatrol]

The best way to improve the gene pool would be to sterilize penvzila and Caligastia <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

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[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by Caligastia:
You admit that your heart leads the way. Unfortunately good decisions are not made on the basis of emotions.

... alone. And there are different genres of emotions to consider.

I have to defend my bud, Magnus, on this point. I say, let your heart lead the way. That does NOT mean, lash out violently if you just got insulted. Most too readily consider "emotional" to mean irrational. True, immediate emotional reactions may not lead to great decisions, but then again we also know that our first instinctual sense about something tends to be the most reliable. Anyway, after the logical analysis is done, it still comes down to how you feel about the options.

I think purely UNemotional decisions are WORSE! Sorry to bring up the Nazis again (but here's it's appropriate): not just Hilter, but those who actually ran the death camps and performed the actual tortures and killings were using a rationale and logic that worked for them ... but they truly had to be cut off from their emotions to do those things.

Maybe that's why the Nazi thing keeps coming back up here.

Spiff

 

[penvzila]

Damn! I didnt think anyone out there would seriously consider my rules as valid! While logical, they are barbaric! The point of this topic was to find out what everyone's gut reaction would be to my post. I'd say it was a pretty successfully conducted experiment in sociology.

ats self on back-:

[This message has been edited by penvzila (edited June 07, 2001).]

 

[Magnus]

Originally posted by Caligastia:
...It may take some time before a proposal like this is ever adopted, but eventually it will be.

Keep dreaming. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/cwm33.gif" border=0>

Say what you will about me, but at least I am a realist.

additionally - Penvzilla, my responses have been to Caligastia and not to you.

and:

to BorderPatrol & SpacemanSpiff!



[This message has been edited by Magnus (edited June 08, 2001).]