People may be making too much of this. I think most people realize the downside of Communism. The destruction of the middle and upper class of society has too many negatives to justify whatever perceived gain it may offer. What will help all of society in the long run is enlightenment. That includes teaching people about protecting the environment and how to eliminate poverty through generosity.
tell me how your capitalism works out for you in 200 years when you're 50 feet underwater being fried by solar radiation seeping through a patchwork ozone
who cares, as long as you can take the kids to soccer practice and the wife out to a nice steak dinner right
Stop reading into what the bleeding heart enviromentalists tell you. The earth warms and cools naturally and will do so with or with out humans. If I'm around in 200 years then capitalism is doing just fine by me.
Stop reading into what the bleeding heart enviromentalists tell you. The earth warms and cools naturally and will do so with or with out humans. If I'm around in 200 years then capitalism is doing just fine by me.
i'm shocked that people that play this game can be so ignorant about the forces at work in the world. obviously it's just a game but it allows us to take familiar situations and adjust the particulars to the point where systems and patterns become frighteningly analogous to reality. i'm not trying to insult anyone's nations politics or religions, just pointing out the invalidity of their arguments. if anyone feels my comments are in error i'd like to see their answer to the contents of them.
Since when did environmentalism have anything to do with communism?
Last time I looked, Russia and China weren't ecological paradises, either.
A smokestack is a smokestack whether it's capitalist or communist. The problem is that people would rather see their paycheck/monthly allowance of food/[whatever it is that communist countries have] go up than worry if the temperature is increasing in Antarctica or that polar bears are starving to death in Alaska, and until we have a massive change in that policy, then all this bickering over which economic system is the "best" (a relative term, of course) is pointless.
The key, as Murky pointed out, is education, not economics.
You know that during the 1940-1960's period when industrialization really picked up and humans where emmiting record highs in CO2 there was actually a cooling off temperature, leading scientist to believe the next ice age was coming...
A similar warming period to this one has been seen from the 1920-1940 period when there was lower gas emissions than in the 40- 60 period.
Also the Earth has been warming up for hundreds of years now way before the industrial revolution what caused that?
The earth warming up might just be a regular period that earth goes through, we dont know, just like we dont know that gases are causing it?
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I'm not stating that Global Warming isn't an issue. The absurdity of the previous posters comments that America is to blame because we have soccer moms and like steak is moronic.
Let's face it, no real communist is going to stick up for Stalin or Mao's policies. If you want to look at real communism you need to go back to the roots of the idoelogy which is what was written by Marx and Engels. I also feel that Lenin was a true communist, as was his rightful (but unrealized) successor, Trotsky.
I think that a true communist society could have done a much better job at controlling it's impact on the environment then a capitalist society could have. Anyways, true conservatism wasn't even realized in America before Teddy Roosevelt instituted the National Park system. And capitalism has existed for what, 300 years?
By that you mean have a revolution, then install a dictatorship, then remove the troublesome elements of society, then magically the dicatorship vanishes and everyone's in a utopia?
Since when did environmentalism have anything to do with communism?
Last time I looked, Russia and China weren't ecological paradises, either.
A smokestack is a smokestack whether it's capitalist or communist. The problem is that people would rather see their paycheck/monthly allowance of food/[whatever it is that communist countries have] go up than worry if the temperature is increasing in Antarctica or that polar bears are starving to death in Alaska, and until we have a massive change in that policy, then all this bickering over which economic system is the "best" (a relative term, of course) is pointless.
The key, as Murky pointed out, is education, not economics.
The communist in Russia turned the country into the most polluted in the world. There are towns in Siberia in which factory workers must take shots of oxygen from a mask at set periods throughout the day in order to combat the incredible concentrations of CO2 in the air.
China, same way. Both countries are willing to destroy the environment for power; their leaders are, that is. Those leaders care about power themselves, nothing else.
Not to mention that neither countries were or are true communisms! Communism has not existed on a national level as of yet; nor will it for a long time IMO.
By the way; associating communism with all the ideals of the left is, IMO, pretty silly. For example, there's absolutely nothing that says that a communism might ravage the environment.
it's a political game.......and it's a forum that's supposed to help people understand the forces at work with in the game which is based on history. get over it
And using a computer game forum as a means to spout political rhetoric is both presumptious and ignorant. You have made your views known. Arguing politics on the internet is a dead-end street. You are not going to change anyone's politics, any more than they will change yours. You are not here to enlighten, only to infuriate.
oooooo, i'm not arguing people that disagree with me, read the quotes. saying that american revolution wasn't followed by systematic forced labor to the death is just rediculous. calling communism the cheif source of human suffering in the 20th century is just as rediculous. these guys deserve the dignity of a clear mind.
If you have an ideology that purports to be a way to organize society, but it doesn't work with actual humans, then the ideology is flawed. And if you have an ideology that results in mass slaughter and extreme misery EVERY SINGLE TIME it's implemented in the real world, then even attempting to defend the ideology is just wrong.
It's also silly to talk about leaders 'corrupting' Communism, all of that stuff about the dictatorship of the proletariat is not just in the Communist Manifesto for show. Even in 'pure' communism the idea is not to just create a free society, it's to create a very authoritarian one which, after getting rid of troublemakers, will become a utopian one.
Communism is much worse than Nazism, the fact that people defend it even though it produces far worse horrors quite routinely is nothing short of astounding.
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