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Now, let me explain this. I understand that Oxford University is British, but it is also a National Wonder, meaning every civ can build it, so in America it would be the equivalent of Yale or Harvard.

Good to know where West Point is, but that presents a problem: New York already has two National Wonders. The obvious remedy would be to change West Point into something else, maybe a World Wonder, or maybe change how many National Wonders can be built in a city, if we can.

what about the Universal Healthcare (national wonder), Central Bank (National Wonder), Highway System (National Wonder), Wifi (National Wonder) and Bethlehem (World Wonder) that we have already made.

Aside from the last, those are problematic. The Central Bank seems too similar to Wall Street to be included; others can be included but placed basically anywhere.
 
Now here's something different: What cities have what wonders, some of them obvious, but here it goes anyway. I don't know everything, so please help for where I left off.

New York: Broadway, the Statue of Liberty, Wall Street, National Park, United Nations.
Washington: Whitehouse (a graphic exists, so let's add the wonder, as a flavored palace if nothing else), Capitol (I'm pretty sure a graphic exists, though I'm not sure where), Hermitage, Pentagon, Scotland Yard.
St. Louis (Is it in the game?): The Arc.
Las Vegas (Is it in the game?): The Strip, National Dam (My personal opinion is that the Three Gorges Dam should be changed into a National Wonder).
Los Angeles: Hollywood. (This city can also have factories, unlike much of America)
American Cities I don't know: West Point, Oxford University
Not Sure Where it should go in America: Rock & Roll
Honolulu: Heroic Epic, Moai Statues.
Milwaukee (Is it in the game?): Brewery National Wonder. (Come on, we should put it in!)
Beijing: Forbidden Palace, National Park(?).
Hong Kong: Moai Statues, Wall Street.
Tsingtao: Brewery National Wonder.
Paris: Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame, Versailles, Hermitage, National Epic. (The last may be tricky since it's part of the EU, but the default graphic is the Arc D'Triumph.)
Berlin: Brandenberger Tor, Reichstag. (Graphics for both exist, and have been used in many mods.)
Munich: Neunschwanstein (graphic exists), Brewery National Wonder. (Though again, the EU is tricky with regard to National Wonders; Ireland, the Czech Republic, and the Netherlands also are big on beer.)
Amsterdam: Moai Statues.
London: Globe Theatre, Stonehenge, Big Ben (graphic exists), Parliament (I think the graphic exists somewhere), Scotland Yard.
Moscow: Kremlin, Scotland Yard.
St. Petersburg: Forbidden Palace, Hermitage.
Rome: Apostolic Palace, Circus Maximus (graphic exists), Sistine Chappel.
Athens: The Parthenon.
Cairo: The Pyramids (Maybe we should change their effects for this mod), Hermitage.
Alexandria: The Great Library.
Mecca: The Majjid Al Harram (We removed the religions, but let's still keep their buildings.)
Dubai: The Burj Al Arab (graphic exists), Wall Street.
Tokyo: Wall Street, Forbidden Palace.
Whatever City Switzerland gets: Wall Street, Red Cross.
Baghdad: Spiral Minaret(?).
Angkor Wat: Pretty obvious, right? And I'm pretty sure this city is included, since it's even in the normal-sized Earth map.
Timbukktu: Sankore.

I also think it would be cool to be able to rebuild destroyed wonders, by adding specific "ruins" buildings to the right cities, and making them the prerequisites for those wonders that no longer exist.

Didn't we have a thread for this? Oh yeah, here it is. Though actually the thread seems to be more about future wonders (or ones under construction), maybe we can merge the lists?
 
Now, let me explain this. I understand that Oxford University is British, but it is also a National Wonder, meaning every civ can build it, so in America it would be the equivalent of Yale or Harvard.

Good to know where West Point is, but that presents a problem: New York already has two National Wonders. The obvious remedy would be to change West Point into something else, maybe a World Wonder, or maybe change how many National Wonders can be built in a city, if we can.



Aside from the last, those are problematic. The Central Bank seems too similar to Wall Street to be included; others can be included but placed basically anywhere.

Im not giving these as ideas and i don't know why exactly they were chosen but the xml had been done for them already so people must have discused and approved them. maybe the central bank replaced wall street?
 
AP needs to be changed if in game. (Outdated by U.N., which has the Real power now (and even then, it doesn't even have much power).

Also, no Scotland Yard in Washington. The SY is a real building somewhere in England (I belive it's in London, not sure). Therefore, I think it should become a world wonder.

Niagra Falls should be in Buffalo as a wonder, assuming it's still in the game (I hope it still is). Also, I think West Point should be moved there, or put in Albany (If we have that city, but IMO, 3 cities in NY might be too bold, but like the Motto, I :love: NY).

Also, in the map, I disapove where Boston is placed

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I marked where Boston should be placed. Right now It's in Maine/New Hampshire/Vermont, not in Mass. If you move it to where I marked it, then it would be in the exact place it should be. However, do to those stupid "Can't place a city 1 tile from another", you may have to move it to the right by 1, but it's still would be in Mass.
 
AP needs to be changed if in game. (Outdated by U.N., which has the Real power now (and even then, it doesn't even have much power).

Also, no Scotland Yard in Washington. The SY is a real building somewhere in England (I belive it's in London, not sure). Therefore, I think it should become a world wonder.

Niagra Falls should be in Buffalo as a wonder, assuming it's still in the game (I hope it still is). Also, I think West Point should be moved there, or put in Albany (If we have that city, but IMO, 3 cities in NY might be too bold, but like the Motto, I :love: NY).

Also, in the map, I disapove where Boston is placed

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I marked where Boston should be placed. Right now It's in Maine/New Hampshire/Vermont, not in Mass. If you move it to where I marked it, then it would be in the exact place it should be. However, do to those stupid "Can't place a city 1 tile from another", you may have to move it to the right by 1, but it's still would be in Mass.
Boston is placed properly IMO, if you keep disagreeing, get a map of the NE USA with the important city sites.
 
Scotland Yard IS in London.

Stonehenge should be in Bristol, or whatever other city is WEST of London, NOT London.

Oxford University should be in London or Birmingham is a possibility (Oxford is between the 2). I agree with Bahmo that American university excellence should be represented. UK is number 2 in the world for universities so they should be too, but America leads the world in higher education for sure so perhaps deserve their own wonder. Would it be possible to turn Oxford University into a world wonder and just make an identical one for Harvard? This would represent the real gulf and advantage that exists in educational institutions with the US (and to a lesser extent UK) way ahead of the rest. (I can post a list of the top world institutions if anyone disagrees. America has about half the top 100 and UK has double the amount of the rest of Europe put together).
 
Great work. Sorry to miss it. Matty, can we implement this list of ianinsane's then?
 
Boston is placed properly IMO, if you keep disagreeing, get a map of the NE USA with the important city sites.

I don't want to get in an argument, but Boston's position IS wrong. Unless your talking about some Boston in ME/VT/NH, It should be in Mass. Where I marked is a much more accurate placemet, but due to the city tile rule, it may have to be placed to the right a little.
 
One question I'd like to ask. In the 1940 scenario on GEM (and not present regularly, but I can make it present again if we agree one way or the other), Denmark connects mainland Europe with the Nordic states as a city that acts as a pass from the Baltic Sea & North Sea, but also as a land bridge from Europe to the Nordic area.

Now, I feel this has a MAJOR benefit, but also a drawback. The benefit is that it is best for military reasons with the AI. The AI will not send sea transports when it is connected to a main continent. Meaning: Norway, Sweden, etc., will militarily not simply transport units from the north to the south. Instead, they will walk all the way around to the east, thru the Baltic states, etc. (JDogg & BetterAI are working on this, though, but it will not be implemented for quite some time)

Now, to me, that is a huge disadvantage for the AI. And using Copenhagen as a "land bridge" enables the AI to work much, much, much more efficiently.

The only drawback is that, if you don't have open borders with the EU, you won't be able to pass from Denmark to the east/west - depending on where you are and where you want to go.

It is my opinion that using the land bridge will be best for AI efficiency.

Any thoughts to the contrary?
 
Well...Denmark is actually connected with Sweden by means of the Oresund Bridge (which has both road and railroad tracks, so military vehicles can be transported). So since we're planning on making everything as realistic as possible we should keep the land bridge.
 
I to say yes, as the AI is an idiot. Should their also be a bridge in Mexico to connect the part Below California to the main part of Mexico? Does one actually exist?
 
I to say yes, as the AI is an idiot. Should their also be a bridge in Mexico to connect the part Below California to the main part of Mexico? Does one actually exist?

No. This isn't really anywhere near as important as i think we're just talking about one city.
 
Im not giving these as ideas and i don't know why exactly they were chosen but the xml had been done for them already so people must have discused and approved them. maybe the central bank replaced wall street?

No; Wall Street is still in that thread people suggested I merge with this one.

Niagra Falls should be in Buffalo as a wonder, assuming it's still in the game (I hope it still is). Also, I think West Point should be moved there, or put in Albany (If we have that city, but IMO, 3 cities in NY might be too bold, but like the Motto, I :love: NY).

So do I; but unfortunately, I don't think we can fit three cities there. The current state of the map has New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington bunched pretty close.
 
Sorry I know I'm not part of the team here but have been following this map with alot of interest for a while now.

In the wonders lists don't you think London should have the national wonder version of Wall St (if Wall St gets made into a world wonder).

Also alot of the UN, along with a number of other international organsistions such as the Red Cross/Crescent are run from Geneva, so some sort of wonder there might be in order.
 
Buffalo is on the map Bahmo & Omega. I may or may not move Boston. The thing is, it kind of helps balance since NYC has 35+ population in the game, so moving Boston north the one square really helps with that.
 
Well...Denmark is actually connected with Sweden by means of the Oresund Bridge (which has both road and railroad tracks, so military vehicles can be transported). So since we're planning on making everything as realistic as possible we should keep the land bridge.

Only if Copenhagen is a canal, otherwise that would disable the navies of Northeastern European nations.
 
Not to try to sound impatient, but when is the map going to be posted? I think it would be very helpful to see where the cities and boundries are located, along with the Terrain.
 
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