Oh, my eyes must have been very bad, they mixed the American blue with the Spanish strips together. Must have looked too much anticipation thread the last weeks, months...
It's fun being colorblind and trying to figure out when exactly the Roman conquest of Arizona and New Mexico took place. I believe I slept through that day in history class. That must have been when Caesar had his palace built in Las Vegas.
Looking at this map there are a couple of holes that would be filled nicely with: Mali, Mongols, Indonesia, South Afrika, and 1 North American tribe. Perhaps one more South american nation.
Nice work
As polarizing as Canada is, it's hard to deny that it'd do a splendid job of filling holes. Pity it wouldn't start in the west; neither the Sioux nor the Shoshone are immensely popular here either, and I can't think of anyone offhand that has both the marketability to replace them and the willingness to do so.
As polarizing as Canada is, it's hard to deny that it'd do a splendid job of filling holes. Pity it wouldn't start in the west; neither the Sioux nor the Shoshone are immensely popular here either, and I can't think of anyone offhand that has both the marketability to replace them and the willingness to do so.
It's fun being colorblind and trying to figure out when exactly the Roman conquest of Arizona and New Mexico took place. I believe I slept through that day in history class. That must have been when Caesar had his palace built in Las Vegas.
As polarizing as Canada is, it's hard to deny that it'd do a splendid job of filling holes. Pity it wouldn't start in the west; neither the Sioux nor the Shoshone are immensely popular here either, and I can't think of anyone offhand that has both the marketability to replace them and the willingness to do so.
Also I didn't know about the Shoshone beforehand, it would be very easy to add a tribe like this in a Ex pack, though I believe they have probably learned form their mistakes with BNW and have engaged with the Indigenous communities in question earlier in the process.
Great map of both Civs AND city-states/wonders depcting the game's geographic display. I totally see the need for the Inca, Zulu, a West African civ (Mali, Songhai, Hausa, Yoruba), and a SE Asia one to at least fill the voids.
I suppose since they already threw Australia in there, Canada isn't out of the question. Maybe an Inuit one instead? God knows someone needs to settle those tundra/polar tiles!
I mean, even the Inuit would be more 'Greenland, Nunavut, and northern Quebec' than Canada proper.
With enough open spaces for civilizations, you could probably work in both if you really hated the Tundra that much.
Great map of both Civs AND city-states/wonders depcting the game's geographic display. I totally see the need for the Inca, Zulu, a West African civ (Mali, Songhai, Hausa, Yoruba), and a SE Asia one to at least fill the voids.
I suppose since they already threw Australia in there, Canada isn't out of the question. Maybe an Inuit one instead? God knows someone needs to settle those tundra/polar tiles!
I like it how where I live already was the territory of four empires: nazi-germany/hre, french empire, spanish empire, roman empire and they have to release the dutch yet.
I like it how where I live already was the territory of four empires: nazi-germany/hre, french empire, spanish empire, roman empire and they have to release the dutch yet.
Oh please, not Zulus. Zimbabwe is far bettet to represent south africa. Between a building and trading civ and one that won one battle against the british, my choice is rapidly made ...
Oh please, not Zulus. Zimbabwe is far better to represent south Africa. Between a building and trading civ and one that won one battle against the British, my choice is rapidly made ...
As a Filipino, I would like to dispute this. Although I admit this will eventually veer away into off-topic historical territory.
We were colonized by you Americans. If we weren't colonized by the US, then most Filipinos wouldn't have any knowledge of English; I wouldn't speak and write in fluent English. Our government is a carbon copy of your government with all the institutions, elections and liberal democracy that come with it, albeit in a rather imperfect form. Most modern infrastructure in the Philippines was built during the American period. We were taught your ways and values during the first decade of American rule through the public school system established during this period. We accepted American culture back then, and today we take it in as if it was oxygen. Yes, we were Hispanized, but if you ask any ordinary Filipino (before our current president was elected), they'll see the US more favorably than Spain. In fact we Filipinos view you Americans and the US more favorably that any other people in the world.
By struggle what do you mean? If violent, then we only had violent struggle with the US for only a few years during the Philippine-American War, but for most of the American period, our only (mainstream) struggle with the Americans was through negotiating our autonomy and eventually independence from them through the same institutions that they had set up for us.
If you read sources that mention the Philippines during and after the Spanish-American War, it is noticeable that there was this intent of President McKinley and co. to colonize the Philippines in order to be on par with the other imperial powers at the time. There was debate within American political culture at the time, but eventually it was settled that the Americans would "civilize the natives" of the Philippines.
It is true that technically the Philippines was an American possession, but American rule in the Philippines had the trappings of colonialism in all but name.
As a Filipino, I would like to dispute this. Although I admit this will eventually veer away into off-topic historical territory.
We were colonized by you Americans. If we weren't colonized by the US, then most Filipinos wouldn't have any knowledge of English; I wouldn't speak and write in fluent English. Our government is a carbon copy of your government with all the institutions, elections and liberal democracy that come with it, albeit in a rather imperfect form. Most modern infrastructure in the Philippines was built during the American period. We were taught your ways and values during the first decade of American rule through the public school system established during this period. We accepted American culture back then, and today we take it in as if it was oxygen. Yes, we were Hispanized, but if you ask any ordinary Filipino (before our current president was elected), they'll see the US more favorably than Spain. In fact we Filipinos view you Americans and the US more favorably that any other people in the world.
By struggle what do you mean? If violent, then we only had violent struggle with the US for only a few years during the Philippine-American War, but for most of the American period, our only (mainstream) struggle with the Americans was through negotiating our autonomy and eventually independence from them through the same institutions that they had set up for us.
If you read sources that mention the Philippines during and after the Spanish-American War, it is noticeable that there was this intent of President McKinley and co. to colonize the Philippines in order to be on par with the other imperial powers at the time. There was debate within American political culture at the time, but eventually it was settled that the Americans would "civilize the natives" of the Philippines.
It is true that technically the Philippines was an American possession, but American rule in the Philippines had the trappings of colonialism in all but name. Heck I would even argue that the American colonization of the Philippines helped transform the US into the global power, sorry, empire, that it is today
And in order for me to stay on-topic in this thread..
This is great work, by the way. It does get confusing once you start to go to the Eastern Mediterranean. This map would be a beautiful mess once we get the last expansion of the game in the future.
What's the legend of the lines, though? I understand territories are a lighter shade of color, but the lines.... I don't get it. Especially with regards to my country, when it was a full Spanish colony during Philip II's time (at least until the island of Mindanao in the south), and when it was an American colony, like I said, under Theodore Roosevelt (including the island of MIndanao).
That was an interesting response, to be honest. Although it does confirm my assumption that ordinary Americans don't know the US's history as an imperial power in the territorial sense of the word; while ordinary Spaniards today at least have some sense that they owned vast tracts of land as an empire, including us.
And in order for me to stay on-topic in this thread..
This is great work, by the way. It does get confusing once you start to go to the Eastern Mediterranean. This map would be a beautiful mess once we get the last expansion of the game in the future.
What's the legend of the lines, though? I understand territories are a lighter shade of color, but the lines.... I don't get it. Especially with regards to my country, when it was a full Spanish colony during Philip II's time (at least until the island of Mindanao in the south), and when it was an American colony, like I said, under Theodore Roosevelt (including the island of MIndanao).
That was an interesting response, to be honest. Although it does confirm my assumption that ordinary Americans don't know the US's history as an imperial power in the territorial sense of the word; while ordinary Spaniards today at least have some sense that they owned vast tracts of land as an empire, including us.
As a Filipino, I would like to dispute this. Although I admit this will eventually veer away into off-topic historical territory.
We were colonized by you Americans. If we weren't colonized by the US, then most Filipinos wouldn't have any knowledge of English; I wouldn't speak and write in fluent English. Our government is a carbon copy of your government with all the institutions, elections and liberal democracy that come with it, albeit in a rather imperfect form. Most modern infrastructure in the Philippines was built during the American period. We were taught your ways and values during the first decade of American rule through the public school system established during this period. We accepted American culture back then, and today we take it in as if it was oxygen. Yes, we were Hispanized, but if you ask any ordinary Filipino (before our current president was elected), they'll see the US more favorably than Spain. In fact we Filipinos view you Americans and the US more favorably that any other people in the world.
By struggle what do you mean? If violent, then we only had violent struggle with the US for only a few years during the Philippine-American War, but for most of the American period, our only (mainstream) struggle with the Americans was through negotiating our autonomy and eventually independence from them through the same institutions that they had set up for us.
If you read sources that mention the Philippines during and after the Spanish-American War, it is noticeable that there was this intent of President McKinley and co. to colonize the Philippines in order to be on par with the other imperial powers at the time. There was debate within American political culture at the time, but eventually it was settled that the Americans would "civilize the natives" of the Philippines.
It is true that technically the Philippines was an American possession, but American rule in the Philippines had the trappings of colonialism in all but name.
Interestingly enough, before the election of Duterte (and probably afterwards), Filipinos love the United States more than Americans love their own country.
Interestingly enough, before the election of Duterte (and probably afterwards), Filipinos love the United States more than Americans love their own country.
I'm not sure about afterwards. We Filipinos still view the US with high esteem. It's just that our president is, how should I say it, unsavory, and many Filipinos, specifically most who use social media, just blindly follow whatever he says.
I'm not sure about afterwards. We Filipinos still view the US with high esteem. It's just that our president is, how should I say it, unsavory, and many Filipinos, specifically most who use social media, just blindly follow whatever he says.
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