Match-up= B-1B Lancer vs. Tu-160 Blackjack
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Alcibiaties of Athenae
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On these topics it is possible to be objetive if the real information is in front of ours eyes, so I repeat:
Tu-160:
Soviet Designation
TU-160
US-Designation
Blackjack
Design Bureau
OKB-156 Tupolev
Manufacturer
Plant Nr. 22 Kazan
Power Plant
4 HK-32 turbojet engines
Thrust
25.000 kg each
Length
54.1
Height
13.1
Wingspan
35.6m (minimum), 55.7m (maximum)
Wing surface
232 sqm
Speed
2200 km/h (maximum), 1030 km/h (ground)
Ceiling
16.000m
Weight (empty)
110.000kg
Fuel weight
148.000 kg
Maximum take-off weight
275.000 kg
Normal weapons load
9.000 kg
Maximum weapons load
40.000 kg
Range
+14.000 km (with a load of 9.000kg)
+10.500 km (with a load of 40.000 kg)
Armament
12 H-55 or 24 H-15 missiles
free falling bombs
?
Systems
?
Crew
4
Accomodation
?
Unit cost
?
Approved
?
Development began
1975
First Flight
12/19/1981
Series production started
1984
Date deployed
1987
Inventory
?
B-1b Lancer:
Primary Function: Long-range, multi-role, heavy bomber.
Builder: Rockwell International, North American Aircraft.
Operations Air Frame and Integration: Offensive avionics, Boeing Military Airplane; defensive avionics, AIL Division.
Power Plant: Four General Electric F-101-GE-102 turbofan engine with afterburner.
Thrust: 30,000-plus pounds (13,500-plus kilograms) with afterburner, per engine.
Length: 147 feet (44.8 meters).
Wingspan: 137 feet (41.8 meters) extended forward, 78 feet (23.8 meters) swept aft.
Height: 34 feet (10.4 meters).
Weight: Empty, approximately 185,000 pounds (83,250 kilograms).
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 477,000 pounds (214,650 kilograms).
Speed: 716 knots (Mach 1,25), 607-plus knots at sea level (Mach 0,92)
Range: Intercontinental, unrefueled.
Endurance: With refueling, crew endurance.
Ceiling: 30,000 feet (9,000 meters).
Crew: Four (aircraft commander, pilot, offensive systems officer, and defensive systems officer).
Armament: Up to 84 Mark 82 conventional 500-pound bombs internally with external hard points for an additional 12 weapons. Also can be reconfigured to carry a wide range of nuclear weapons (maximun 29,030 kilograms).
Date Deployed: June 1985.Unit Cost: $200-plus million per aircraft.
Inventory: Active force, 94; ANG, 0; Reserve , 0.
The B1b range with normal load is of 12000 km, so you are totally wrong, Alcibiaties of Athenae.
Tu-160:
Soviet Designation
TU-160
US-Designation
Blackjack
Design Bureau
OKB-156 Tupolev
Manufacturer
Plant Nr. 22 Kazan
Power Plant
4 HK-32 turbojet engines
Thrust
25.000 kg each
Length
54.1
Height
13.1
Wingspan
35.6m (minimum), 55.7m (maximum)
Wing surface
232 sqm
Speed
2200 km/h (maximum), 1030 km/h (ground)
Ceiling
16.000m
Weight (empty)
110.000kg
Fuel weight
148.000 kg
Maximum take-off weight
275.000 kg
Normal weapons load
9.000 kg
Maximum weapons load
40.000 kg
Range
+14.000 km (with a load of 9.000kg)
+10.500 km (with a load of 40.000 kg)
Armament
12 H-55 or 24 H-15 missiles
free falling bombs
?
Systems
?
Crew
4
Accomodation
?
Unit cost
?
Approved
?
Development began
1975
First Flight
12/19/1981
Series production started
1984
Date deployed
1987
Inventory
?
B-1b Lancer:
Primary Function: Long-range, multi-role, heavy bomber.
Builder: Rockwell International, North American Aircraft.
Operations Air Frame and Integration: Offensive avionics, Boeing Military Airplane; defensive avionics, AIL Division.
Power Plant: Four General Electric F-101-GE-102 turbofan engine with afterburner.
Thrust: 30,000-plus pounds (13,500-plus kilograms) with afterburner, per engine.
Length: 147 feet (44.8 meters).
Wingspan: 137 feet (41.8 meters) extended forward, 78 feet (23.8 meters) swept aft.
Height: 34 feet (10.4 meters).
Weight: Empty, approximately 185,000 pounds (83,250 kilograms).
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 477,000 pounds (214,650 kilograms).
Speed: 716 knots (Mach 1,25), 607-plus knots at sea level (Mach 0,92)
Range: Intercontinental, unrefueled.
Endurance: With refueling, crew endurance.
Ceiling: 30,000 feet (9,000 meters).
Crew: Four (aircraft commander, pilot, offensive systems officer, and defensive systems officer).
Armament: Up to 84 Mark 82 conventional 500-pound bombs internally with external hard points for an additional 12 weapons. Also can be reconfigured to carry a wide range of nuclear weapons (maximun 29,030 kilograms).
Date Deployed: June 1985.Unit Cost: $200-plus million per aircraft.
Inventory: Active force, 94; ANG, 0; Reserve , 0.
The B1b range with normal load is of 12000 km, so you are totally wrong, Alcibiaties of Athenae.
Alcibiaties of Athenae
Imperator
I said I didn't know for sure, but I am sure that the Backfire isn't trans-continental, this was a big point in the 80s, it's inability to reach USA and back, where as the the B-1 could reach Soviet airspace and back.
I see 14,000 and 13,500 km as ranges, but what is your source for the backfire?
I see 14,000 and 13,500 km as ranges, but what is your source for the backfire?
We are not speaking about "backfire". We are speaking about Tu-160 "Blackjack". Tu-26 "backfire" is an soviet bomber (today used in antivessel purposes) derived from Tu-22 "blinder" in service with russian air forces since 1961. Tu-26 and Tu-22 range are about 5500 km.
Airplanes are my passion, so, my sources are very diverse, from infinity of books and collections, up to specializing magazines and webs sites (Jane's Database, Air Forces Monthly, Aircraft Review ...). Thus the diverse sources can be confirmed, and I assure you that the information of above is trustworthy.
(Except for a detail: the speed of B1b at the sea level belongs to 458 knots (Mach 0,8), 607 knots is cruise speed, sorry. :crazyeyes ).
Airplanes are my passion, so, my sources are very diverse, from infinity of books and collections, up to specializing magazines and webs sites (Jane's Database, Air Forces Monthly, Aircraft Review ...). Thus the diverse sources can be confirmed, and I assure you that the information of above is trustworthy.
(Except for a detail: the speed of B1b at the sea level belongs to 458 knots (Mach 0,8), 607 knots is cruise speed, sorry. :crazyeyes ).
Alcibiaties of Athenae
Imperator
Ah, I see.
OK, thanks.
OK, thanks.
Pavelsu: How can you say that the Blackjack has a higher payload capacity than the Lancer, and then only list the NUCLEAR (28000kg) capacity of the Lancer, not the total (60,000kg)?
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b-1b/index.html
Look there for total payload cap (I think it's in lbs though, not kg)
And yes, I know that site sucks, but I don't have my bookmarks on this system or my books in front of me, but they'll say the same thing anyways.
Plus, you're comparing what the B-1B has ACTUALLY done to what the Russians SAY the Blackjack can do (which nobody ever believes) but has never actually done, so in a way it's not a fair matchup. I seem to remember that the B1-B holds over 25 world records in its class. I'll try to find some proof.
For my $MONEY$ the TU-160 is a better plane, but overall it doesn't look that way. Either way, it's an interesting debate
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/b-1b/index.html
Look there for total payload cap (I think it's in lbs though, not kg)
And yes, I know that site sucks, but I don't have my bookmarks on this system or my books in front of me, but they'll say the same thing anyways.
Plus, you're comparing what the B-1B has ACTUALLY done to what the Russians SAY the Blackjack can do (which nobody ever believes) but has never actually done, so in a way it's not a fair matchup. I seem to remember that the B1-B holds over 25 world records in its class. I'll try to find some proof.
For my $MONEY$ the TU-160 is a better plane, but overall it doesn't look that way. Either way, it's an interesting debate
Fayadi
Technocrat
Have anybody heard Tu-160 in action?Have somebody really tried to use that to bombard ?US warplanes are very often in action.I really want to know if somebody had heard soviet warplanes in action?
What the Russians say is so credible as what the North Americans say, dont be so innocent.
About records, all airplanes models hold a lot of records, surely Tu-160 too (example: Cessna 172 have more than 1000 records ) , there are very different records types and most are so specific that do not mean anything.
As for to the weight that appear in the page to which you refer, surely they are not additives (or they are enormously exaggerated), since adding external and internal load, results near 80000 kg (four times one b-52), which, undoubtedly, is a silly thing.
About records, all airplanes models hold a lot of records, surely Tu-160 too (example: Cessna 172 have more than 1000 records
) , there are very different records types and most are so specific that do not mean anything. As for to the weight that appear in the page to which you refer, surely they are not additives (or they are enormously exaggerated), since adding external and internal load, results near 80000 kg (four times one b-52), which, undoubtedly, is a silly thing.
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The Blackjack and backfire are impressive pieces of hardware.
The Russians also hold many records for aerodynamic and supersonic flight.
And before the North Americans get worried at being left out,
The USAF has a fine history of long range bombers and extraordinary flights!
PS
Has any on ever noticed the simiarities between the German Go229 and the US B2 spirit bombers? They are spookily similar!
The Russians also hold many records for aerodynamic and supersonic flight.
And before the North Americans get worried at being left out,
The USAF has a fine history of long range bombers and extraordinary flights!
PS
Has any on ever noticed the simiarities between the German Go229 and the US B2 spirit bombers? They are spookily similar!
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