Maya - joining barbarian workers to cities

[thetrooper]

The Mayan UU is the Javelin Thrower (a combined spearman/archer, 2.2.1). The Javelin Thrower has the ability to enslave barbarian units, upon enslavement you get a barbarian worker (a 1/3 chance). This is also true for battles against AI civs, but that is not the issue here.

What happens if you join barbarian workers to your cities? Is that the same as foreign AI workers? And if you rush a settler after merging two barbarian workers to one of your cities you would get a barbarian settler? Will this affect happiness?

 

[White_Knight]

I believe that barbarian citizens act like foreign citizens whose civ you are currently at war with ("stop the agression against our mother country!"), i.e. they are always unhappy unless placated by MP or luxuries. So there's no real point in joining them to your cities, as far as I can tell. Not sure about the settler thing.

 

[Mordack]

My experience with this is that they immediately become an unhappy citizen

 

[thetrooper]

White Knight, Mordack: I did suspect this. So I guess it is a bad idea to merge them.

Thanks!

The settler Q is still open...

 

[TimBentley]

The settler would be barbarian if the barbarian citizens were indeed the citizens used (this seems unlikely, since IIRC it will get rid of native citizens first (I'm pretty sure that's what happens with starvation, so I assume it's the same for workers and settlers)). Off the topic, I seem to remember somebody saying a barbarian settler was also produced from citizens of two nationalities, but I'm not sure.

 

[thetrooper]

I thought that building a settler would take off the two latest citizens in a city.

 

[TimBentley]

After some testing, it appears my previous post was wrong. Barbarian workers and settlers cannot be produced from a city (because they aren't available to their civilization). If a city composed of only barbarians produces a settler or worker, it will be native and the city will not lose population. If a city has barbarians plus one other nationality and produces a settler, the settler will be that nationality and only that citizen will be lost. If there are several nationalities in a city, it appears to use native citizens first, then goes in the opposite order that the AI go. If it is a settler, it will be the nationality of the second citizen used. It appears starvation kills a random citizen, regardless of nationality. If there is a pattern, it does not relate to native nationality first or latest citizen.

 

[stachnie]

If a city composed of only barbarians produces a settler or worker, it will be native and the city will not lose population.

Are you sure? It sounds like an exploit.


Best regards,

Slawomir Stachniewicz.

 

[Slax]

After some testing, it appears my previous post was wrong. Barbarian workers and settlers cannot be produced from a city (because they aren't available to their civilization). If a city composed of only barbarians produces a settler or worker, it will be native and the city will not lose population. If a city has barbarians plus one other nationality and produces a settler, the settler will be that nationality and only that citizen will be lost. If there are several nationalities in a city, it appears to use native citizens first, then goes in the opposite order that the AI go. If it is a settler, it will be the nationality of the second citizen used. It appears starvation kills a random citizen, regardless of nationality. If there is a pattern, it does not relate to native nationality first or latest citizen.

I am a little confused about the above. What would happen if a city containing one native citizen and the remainder are barbarians: (a) produces two workers, (b) produces two settlers ?

 

[Willem]

White Knight, Mordack: I did suspect this. So I guess it is a bad idea to merge them.

It will become assimilated eventually.

 

[thetrooper]

It will become assimilated eventually.

How long will it take to assimilate them?

 

[Willem]

How long will it take to assimilate them?

There's no set time limit, it's dependant on government type. Each one has a different percentage chance of foreign nationals becoming assimilated. You can check that out in the editor if you like, in the Governments screen.

 

[thetrooper]

Thanks Willem, I'll check the editor. Usually republic.

 

[TimBentley]

I am a little confused about the above. What would happen if a city containing one native citizen and the remainder are barbarians: (a) produces two workers, (b) produces two settlers ?

A. The first worker would be native and the native citizen will be lost.
The second worker would be native and no population will be lost.

B. The first settler would be native and the native citizen will be lost.
The second settler would be native and no population will be lost (this assumes you have enough barbarian citizens, I'm pretty sure).