medieval europe scenario

[WoundedKnight]

Tech stagnation is sometimes appropriate, but if you make extensive modifications to the tech tree, they should at least be explained in a readme file. If you're in the middle ages, one would think that one should at least be able to build libraries (you can't) and harbors (you can't) and aqueducts (also can't). It's a bit frustrating to find major and dramatic changes like this that one recognizes only well into the game.

IMO, the most straightforward way to create tech stagnation is simply to up the tech paradigms for the world size -- increase by 2, 5, 10, or whatever you want. Or to increase the minimum research time dramatically. It's easy to do, and easy to undo, and doesn't produce undesired or unexpected (by the player) effects dramatically altering other aspects of gameplay.

Regardless, a nice piece overall.

 

[Ultraworld]

The time period you're talking about had ALOT of trade! Dark Ages did not mean no trade, and the Dark Ages technically was about 500 AD to 950 AD or so.

Unfortuately Civ is not really about trade. It is about war and building the same boring city improvements over and over again. See my sign for something better.



(1) Why can I only play with the Germans

(2) As dutch myself I like the fact you put dorestad in it

(3) Why don't I get the entire map from the first turn

(4) Like the fact that there are a lot of forrests in it

 

[Scurcus]

I know there was trade but what I meant was that there shouldn´t be too much techtrade, maptrade and so on, as a matter of fact, most people in europe at this time didn´t know much of the rest of the continent.

and to your questions. Yes you can play as wich civ you want, but you have to change playerciv in civedit to do so. this is actually very simple, just open the scenario in civedit and click on playerdata in the menu on top of the screen, and then you unmark playerciv for the germans and mark it for whatever civ you want.

you don´t get the map for one main reason, civ can´t do it. and also I think it´s not so bad, after one or two turns you will anyway have your closests neighbors maps, and the rest is there to discover.

of course Dorestad is in, it was a very important city at that time. besides from that I think netherlands feels a little bit empty, but I didn´t want to make the germans too strong.

I haven´t made the map, but I did actually put in more forrest, europe was a lot more covered in forrests before industrialisation.

 

[Junkyard_Pope]

Thank you for having Bohemia-MORAVIA! I often feel like the only Moravian Czech in the US with all the Bohemian rubbish going round.

Catholic peasant Czechs for life!

Oh, by the way, there should be some Oasises in North Africa, they were crucial to trade and also there were caravan routes through the deserts at that time which could travel from Timbuktu to Addis Abeba or even Aden in under two months. So there should be some North African roads.

 

[Tofflus]

Scandinavia (vikings) hmmm why should they start whit warriors? why cant they instead start whit berserkirs? this is PTW scenario right?

 

[Scurcus]

sorry, it´s not ptw, so you have to pretend that the warriors are berserkirs or something

 

[Scurcus]

I have changed the techtree back to the original, with some modification though. it should work better now.
also added a town, Cagliari in sardinia wich I gave to abbasids though Im not sure this is totaly correct.

 

[Leox]

Scurcus...i had made some changes with scenarios, about lidders names...

 

[Scurcus]

thanks, i will check them out soon.

 

[Levski]

Ok... First off, I'm sorry to bring up such an old thread...

But I was looking at the midieval scenarios, and the whole time I kept seeing misconceptions for Bulgaria. Here are some maps that show Bulgaria's boundries (and years of course).

Also, together with the Serbs and the Croats? Bulgarians and Croats have VERY little in common. And Bulgarians and Serbs are almost always at odds with each other during the middle ages, and even in "modern history". They have also invaded each other countless times...

Bulgaria is the ugly brown country...

Here is a map at the birth of Danube Bulgaria in 681 with Asparuh (Brown country):

Bulgaria in the year 707 under Tervel:

Here is Bulgaria under Krum (814 AD), first of the Bulgarian leaders to besiege Constantinople (Note: Krum extends Bulgaria's boundry to the line shown):

Bulgaria under Tzar Simeon (917), this is different than my map from Bulgarian sources as it shows Simeon with holdings well to the east of the Balkans (Simeon holds sway over the areas up to the lines drawn).

Bulgaria under Tzar Samuil (976):

Bulgaria under Tzar Ivan Assen II (1241):

Bulgarian peasants repel the Golden Horde and put the "Swineherd" Tzar Ivailo on the throne 1307 (Hard to see, but you know where to look for it ): Actually, here there are 3 Bulgarian Kingdoms, all considering themselves Bulgarian, but not in a unified state.

These are very good maps of my opinion, and not just of Bulgaria.

And please note, even though these maps say that Bulgaria is a Khanate, it is not!!! No one has established a connection with 'han' and Bulgars (or Bulgarians) in the Azov or Danube area. The only titles recorded are
1. Patricia (for Kubrat)
2. Kniaz (multiple rulers)
3. Kesar (Tervel)
4. KANASUBIGI for Omurtag - he actually put it himself the title for Bulgarians could be either KANA or KANASUBIGI
5. Tsar (From Boris onward untill Ottoman domination)
- no one has proven Han as a title.


Ok, enough of my rattling... It's a well-made scenario and its the Bulgarian's fault for not making the history of Bulgaria better understood.

 

[Levski]

I have made some changes to this scenario.

One big change is to science, now all techs are linear and the civilized countries have all ancient ones and some medieval while the uncivilized ones (vikings, magyar and bulgars) are in the beginning of the ancient ones. this will prevent them from evolving too much and primarily prevents their cities from changing graphics.

Uncivilized I can give you many valid sources showing that at least the Bulgarians had a well-organized country, and by the 1200's had major trading centers in it.

Technologically, the Bulgarians had the most accurate calendar as well, even more accurate than the one used today.

Also, the Bulgarians weren't just the Bulgar ethnos (which migrated from central asia). The majority of it was actually the people that already lived there (i.e. the Thracians) and the Slavs, who had also just migrated there.

And Ancient civilization? Bulgaria fell under Ottoman rule late 14th century or early 15th century (depends on your source).

Gah! This is not a history forum! */me slaps himself*

 

[Emperor Dushan]

I must agree with you Levski!Serbia and Bulgaria were almost always rivals!
Middle ages,WWI,WWII.!But when Ottomans conquered Emperor Dushan's coutry(Emperor Dushan-Tzar na bugarite,srbi i grtzite) Serbs Croats and Bulgarians were fighting against Turks everyone for himself except Balkan wars!Do you agree?This scenario needs to be modified!

 

[music_theory7]

This scenario is almost coplied from EU or Europa Universalis> I recommened teh following: take out tetonic and replace with Papal states> Algeris out and Duchy of Athens in.I admit i'm baised towards the mediterrean but this would be fun.

Also if anyone knows how to change the flag or leaderhead in game in diplomacy please tell me cause have a Islm flag for Papal is weird(In game remember not in set up where I just changed the art)

Huh?...oops this is supposed to be in the renaissance europe tread...check it out!!!

 

[music_theory7]

Dude this secarnio is outdated and obsolute in time and effort. I mean it's good for it's era which was in the days of civ3 but now it's all about custom units, borders and terrian. Everyone should check out the Renaissance Europe and be amazed at the colorful custom borders terrain and units.

 

[Scurcus]

I´m sorry if I have hurt all of you Bulgarians, Serbs, Croats and all other nationalities as well by doing a scenario that offended your history. The reason it was done this way was primarilly for technical reasons, for example limited number of nations. However, the game was made a long time ago and there are probably better mideval scenarios out there and if there aren´t any, make one.

 

[DrwHem]

i just played this for like 12 hours. for soem reason it started me out as the spanish but i dont have the civ editor so i didnt do anything. but the spanish point of view is funt o play. i pushed the moor guys out of mainland spain in like 10 turns of war after i build up my army by a lot but the cities kept getting defected back to the moors(the dark blue guys). i though that cities larger than size 6 could not be defected..they kept defecting all the small ones every 3 or 4 turns and then they started to defect cities that were size 8 and 10 and 11. eventualy all the moor cities defected back to the dark blue guys which was very very very annoying and also odd. arnt the "moor" cities spanish cities that were conquered? i have a mac os 9.1 so i dont know how to use the civ3 editor but is there a way to place spanish citizens in cities controlled by the moors? that way once you capture them you can actualy hold them for more than a few turns.

also...did you mean to put a marine unit in one of the viking cities?

 

[Zuberbuler]

It`s funny scenario!!I`m looking the map and i can`t fine roads and irrigations in the territory of Bulgaria!!!You think that bulgarians are "Uncivilized "?! There is books ,encyclopedia,internet...You can check that in this period Bulgaria was one of the most organized country in Europe.And one more thing:You MUST separate Bulgaria and Serbia!You must respect countries that have more than 1300 years history!