Medieval scenario

[Agent327]

2- Why? English and French were technologically inferior to such empires as the Arabs, Chinese and Byzantines. Their technology didn't catch up until much later.

Scenario starts in 1470; the Byzantine ´empire´ ended in 1453. I´m sure you mean that the English and French were behind the Ottomans around then, who took over most of Arab North Africa subsequently.

3- Russia was in medieval times very chaotic, and by no means should they be represented as a single civilization straight from the beginning. Also, Russia wasn't so poor compared to western powers, the difference came only after the west started gaining riches from their colonies.

Around 1470 the Grandduchy of Moscow had transformed itself into a czardom under Ivan the Terrible. The representation on map here is fairly accurate.

4- Germany was a dominating power all the way to 16th century, and after that they still occupied a huge part of continental Europe. The French and English would have had no hope to win Germany until with the development of their armies to the same level as that of the HRE, which didn't come until later.

Actually the HRE never really played a part as a unified empire, as it was an elective empire since the High Middle Ages; in reality it was rather weak and could be easily influenced by France and Sweden - as was devastatingly shown in the 30 Years War. It was only with the rise of Austria and Prussia that German powers reemerged.

5- Chinese were ridiculously more advanced than the European barbarians. The poor strategy of isolation ruined their chances against Europeans on the world stage much later on. The Japanese science was largely influenced by the Chinese, so they should e close to what Chinese have.

Yet gunpowder was introduced to Japan by the barbarous Europeans.

6- Europeans were no real threat to the muslim world. The real threat, that ultimately was their civilization's downfall, came from the east in the form of Mongol hordes.

Who were stopped by the Mamluk dynasty of Egypt. Also, after Ghenghis Khan´s death in 1227 their Muslim conquests reverted back to Muslim rulers. (Tamerlan, who crushed the Ottomans in 1402, while claiming descent from Ghenghis, was actually a Turk rebelling against the Mongols).

7- India was as scattered as Russia back in the day, and no way they had great chances at peaceful development - the Mongols were a very real threat, which they could not overcome, followed by centuries of occupation by foreign powers.

The Delhi Sultanate was indeed around this time only one of many, a shadow of its earlier greatness. While you are correct about India being divided in 1470, the Mughal (Moghul, Mongol) empire was to dominate almost the entire subcontinent two centuries later. But despite their name these were not Mongols, but rather Turks. (The Mongols only made two raids into India in the early 13th century.)

8- The Aztecs were not technologically that far behind the Europeans. What really caused their sudden fall before the conquistadors were gunpowder, horses and small pox, out of which small pox is the most important one.

I´d say not having horse or gunpowder (let alone ocean navigation) puts the Aztecs pretty far behind. Smallpox only decimated the population after conquest. (You can´t get smallpox without contact. It´s not like the Europeans came over to the Americans, waited for the natives to die, then took over the land. Warfare and aggression was an important factor in the colonization of the Americas. Also, the fact that both Aztec and Incan empires fell within a very short time is testimony to the technological disparity. although, ofcourse, in both cases intrigue played its part as well. The Spanish couldn´t have arrived at a better - or worse - time.)

 

[MaxRiga]

hey, guys, and don't forget it's CIV5 scenario ( not mod ) which means I have to balance it under CIV5 settings ( for example I hate my self having Sankt Petersburg on the map, which one was found only in 1703 ad ).

 

[Agent327]

I missed that one... why didn´t you replace it with Novgorod (a little to the southeast of present day Petersburg)?

 

[MaxRiga]

I missed that one... why didn´t you replace it with Novgorod (a little to the southeast of present day Petersburg)?

I wanted to place a single Russian city by Baltic sea becouse if Russia will be AI then it never does it.

 

[Agent327]

That´s because they´re not being lead by Peter the Great.

Anywho, Novgorod´d be more accurate for a medieval scenario. Barring that, you could place Riga there as a city state. (No need for Petersburg per se.)

 

[Farrapo]

Nice job on this scenario. A few comments. I played as the Aztecs and as of turn 165 there had been no aggression against me (other than barbarians) so I was able to develop into S.A. without problem. I then tried Arabia, which is quite an enjoyable challenge early on. You really need to prepare to defend. Unfortunately, I had a large number of crashes playing the latter side. It may have been Steam crashes, hard to say, but it keeping blowing me entirely out of Civ5 and even taking Windows down.

 

[Hafezudine]

Hi
this scenario for CIV5 without any mods.

Installation details -
1- download file and unzip ( MedievalEarth.Civ5Map ) to (user)/my documents/my games/civ5/maps folder
2- launch you civ5 - go to mods ( accept )- single player - set up game - click on earth and find "Medieval map by MaxRiga" map - check in "Load Scenario"
3- take any of Civilizations and "Start Scenario"

About Scenario

This is huge earth map with already built cities for every civilization. European civilizations are more advanced technological and have military advantage over all other civs. Medieval times were dark and brutal .. make it happen again

Some playing tips –

1- You can always conquer some city towns to use their land mass for building new towns ( specially in Africa, Americas or Asia )

Intersting not to see Songhoi their... tho they were the Backbone for the Arab Empire's Economy, which relied on Gold, Ivory and Salt from them...

2- UK and France are very advanced in the beginning of the scenario but as always in civ series never forget to get more land for new towns, otherwise less developed nations on big territories can easily reach you technological and cultural level

yet in reality, they were stuck in the Dark Ages, and were very far behind in that matter, compared to the rest of the world, i think your confused with the Renaissance.

3- Russia is very big and has access to town countries with huge land territories in Siberia and Mid Asia. It has 5 cities at start but Russian cities are poor and absolutely not developed. Russia can easily get bankrupt, so, it’s really hard now to control this huge country and not to get conquered by Europeans. Russia is in the medieval epoch at the start but far away from Europe in technological advances.

i dont think Russia reached its Gigantic Size at that time, again, i think it was during and post the Renaissance era...

4- Germany is also less advanced compare to UK and France and fighting for living territories is the only possibility to survive. But before attack your neighbors on West or East be sure to get alliances with European town countries, otherwise Germany can be easily crashed.

are we talking about Germany during the Holy Roman Empire, under Barbarossa, where Germany was the most powerful in Europe? or before that period, when Germany was divided citystates like.?

5- China and Japan hasn’t reach medieval ages yet, but it’s pretty save to be far away from Europe. This two Asian countries can live in peace and harmony if not fall down in bloody wars for Korea.

china should have a much stronger economy, since at that time, China was the treasure land that the world seek to get in contact with... even the Arabs stopped their expansion at the first contact with China... they found it as an Economic strategic ally...

6- Egypt, Arabia and Ottoman Empire are in big danger. This civilizations haven’t reach medieval ages yet and very close to expansion European nations. Developing economy and building new towns in Middle East and Africa is the only possibility to survive. But can you trust your neighbors that think the same way?

Tho Egyptian Pharoes did NOT live to see the Medieval Age, and Ottomans didnt exist yet, but the Arabs were actually the Strongest at that time... it was truely their Golden Age, they were the Center of Science, Knowledge, Culture, Trade, Spirituality, and military superiority, the Medieval Era was the era that the Arabs ruled from Spain in Cordoba, Seville, Toledo, Valencia, all the way to Iraq's Baghdad, Basra, Kufa, Samarra. and i believe the Persians should definatly be included in that period...

7- India has all opportunities to grow up quickly and peacefully. It’s far away from Western and Eastern worlds and can trade with them with big amount of luxury recourses. It’s up to you where you move your first army to – west or east?

I found India as very good, tho at that time, india was stuck in unity wars, between the several city states, and the persian danger from the West, and the Tamils in the south and Siamese in the east...

8- Aztec and Iroquois are very new civilizations. Both civs start with small town and many barbarians around it on the unknown land of America.

Agreed.

i think the overall of the map was pretty good, but needs some minor changes... good job tho...

 

[Pegasos]

Ok, I thought it began in 11th or 12th century. It is rather debatable whether 1470 is medieval anymore, since renaissance began in the 1300s. Also, the 30 years war wasn't until 17th century, before which HRE was a superpower, despite its decentralized system of government. The European inventions didn't start to flow to Asia either until with European imperialism in the area.

BTW, the Aztecs didn't have horses because there were none in Central America before brought in later on. The small pox indeed did spread before European conquest, at first the conquistadors weren't waging an open war against the natives. They had resided in the coast for long enough to make allies with some enemy's enemies, and in the end the army that conquered Tenochtitlan consisted mostly of Americans, not Europeans.

 

[MaxRiga]

new version of this scenario is uploaded. have fun!

 

[MaxRiga]

thx all for your replay. Be sure I consider everything you say but sometimes, unfortunately, it's really hard to balance scenarios without doing some "silly" things
new version is up. have fun

 

[davbenbak]

Will this be uploaded to Steam?

 

[HisAwesomeness]

Dear MaxRiga,

I suggest you edit this scenario to start in the 5th Century AD (start of the Middle Ages)
or the 11th Century AD (the High Middle Ages) because the 15th century is the early Renaissance Period.
Anyway, awesome scenario MaxRiga.



Truly yours,
HisAwesomeness

 

[Lachlan]

What about adding Spain, Inca and Mongols DLC ?

 

[Omega124]

Any chance for a playable Spain and the addition of Incas?

 

[MaxRiga]

I can't do it because I do not buy this silly little updates

 

[Omega124]

I can't do it because I do not buy this silly little updates

What if I edit it myself and give you credit? Is that okay?

 

[MaxRiga]

What if I edit it myself and give you credit? Is that okay?

absolutely! I will add it to my first post and it's gonna be easy to find. Please, add Spain, make a couple of screens, make a short readme file with credits for your self, zip it into one file and send it to me - max_riga@navigator.lv. Then I post it.

 

[HisAwesomeness]

What if I edit it myself and give you credit? Is that okay?

Dear MaxRiga and Omega124,

I suggest you edit this scenario to start in the 5th Century AD (start of the Middle Ages)
or the 11th Century AD (the High Middle Ages) because the 15th century is the early Renaissance Period.
Anyway, awesome scenario MaxRiga.
Thank you Omega124



Truly yours,
HisAwesomeness

 

[PlyPlay665]

This is actually a pretty fun Scenario to play, though it is very outdated when it comes to the actual game. Lots of incompatibility problems. Shame, too, because this is exactly the kind of scenario I was looking for.

 

[MaxRiga]

This is actually a pretty fun Scenario to play, though it is very outdated when it comes to the actual game. Lots of incompatibility problems. Shame, too, because this is exactly the kind of scenario I was looking for.

What do u mean it's outdated? What r incompatibility problems?