Played civ for nearly 10 years now, havn`t really had a chance to make a fair judgement of Civ 5 yet, reason the damned game freezes up on me quite a bit !! What is it with the gaming industry these days, can they not make a game that is complete or at least playable ? i guess its all to do with money but i don`t want o be a beta tester and pay £30 pound for it. Come on Firaxis give us a date when Civ 5 will be playable, until then i`m ditching Civ 5, really expected more from you.