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SQ the prison?
If so, somebody must have locked them up for this horrible music. As they should be...
If so, somebody must have locked them up for this horrible music. As they should be...
Metallica back in form?
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It was really at San Quentin. They also play others song there.
I really like the new album. Some songs (Frantic, St.Anger) are really good. It may not be their best album but this is still great. My only complaint are there are no guitar solo.
Phantom Lord
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IMHO all the hype was not justified, this is NOT "Kill 'em All" or "Ride the Lightning" mark 2.
It can't be of course. They'll never get back to their simplicity and they can't invent the same thing twice.
It's not a bad album but it is not the back to the roots type thing everyone (or at least me) was hoping for, especally if you consider their first three albums their roots. And yes, my sig is taken from the Metallica song.
Things just ain't the same without Cliff Burton ...
It can't be of course. They'll never get back to their simplicity and they can't invent the same thing twice.
It's not a bad album but it is not the back to the roots type thing everyone (or at least me) was hoping for, especally if you consider their first three albums their roots. And yes, my sig is taken from the Metallica song.
Things just ain't the same without Cliff Burton ...
CurtSibling
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It all changed when Burton died.
And when they ran out of Dave Mustaine riffs to rip-off.
And when they ran out of Dave Mustaine riffs to rip-off.
Phantom Lord
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... and freed Exodus from Kirk Hammet, enabling "Bonded by Blood" to become the real "Kill 'em All" while Megadeth recorded "Killing ..." in 8-track garage sound quality and it still is a milestone. Metallica's newer, so called complex things somehow try to sound like Dave Mustaine, but not even Dave sounds like himself anymore.
And - worst of all - Paul Baloff isn't anymore, like Cliff Burton. Burton died the night before the concert in Hamburg, had a ticket for that one. Big loss.
And - worst of all - Paul Baloff isn't anymore, like Cliff Burton. Burton died the night before the concert in Hamburg, had a ticket for that one. Big loss.
Double Barrel
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It'll never be the same since Cliff died...R.I.P.
LOL @ Curt. Dave Mustaine? The dude was a has-been when Metallica was cool! He has sold his soul worse than Metallica could ever have dreamed of - case in point - the theme song for WWF!!
The truth is that Cliff had all the cool riffs and arrangements. "Justice..." was many of the riffs and song ideas that Cliff and the band was working on during the MoP tour.
You can really tell the difference when the black album came out - the songwriting, the addition of Bob Rock as producer, the MTV videos, the sappy power-ballad ("Unforgiven"), shorter songs with no key/time changes - really showed a different direction that the band took post-Cliff. He was an anchor and a leader, without a doubt.
All that aside, though, would you really want them to just rehash a style that is over 15 years old? I mean, thrash metal is near-dead (regrettably), and you can hear influences of it, but the style is underground now and just chases its own tail.
Some bands progressed the form into a power groove (i.e. Pantera, Sepultura, etc.), while others incorporated it into a new kinda' agressive metal (i.e. System of a Down).
But I wouldn't want Metallica to be AC/DC, even though that era of Metallica is close to my heart and I've loathed the Bob Rock era.
LOL @ Curt. Dave Mustaine? The dude was a has-been when Metallica was cool! He has sold his soul worse than Metallica could ever have dreamed of - case in point - the theme song for WWF!!
The truth is that Cliff had all the cool riffs and arrangements. "Justice..." was many of the riffs and song ideas that Cliff and the band was working on during the MoP tour.
You can really tell the difference when the black album came out - the songwriting, the addition of Bob Rock as producer, the MTV videos, the sappy power-ballad ("Unforgiven"), shorter songs with no key/time changes - really showed a different direction that the band took post-Cliff. He was an anchor and a leader, without a doubt.
All that aside, though, would you really want them to just rehash a style that is over 15 years old? I mean, thrash metal is near-dead (regrettably), and you can hear influences of it, but the style is underground now and just chases its own tail.
Some bands progressed the form into a power groove (i.e. Pantera, Sepultura, etc.), while others incorporated it into a new kinda' agressive metal (i.e. System of a Down).
But I wouldn't want Metallica to be AC/DC, even though that era of Metallica is close to my heart and I've loathed the Bob Rock era.
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Megadeth?
They had far more metal in their viens than Metallica ever had.
They done one duff album to get off a sony deal. (Risk) So what?
I have met Dave Mustaine and he has none of the awful ego-isms of those appalling prima-donna's in metallica.
He loves the metal scene, and has real integrity rather than mindless showmanship to his credit.
And another thing.
Thrash metal is actually quite alive. Just check any metal-record label website. I Suggest Nuclear Blast.
I don't know where you got the notion that metal is weakened in any way. MTV, perhaps?
Even the 1980's variety of cheese lives on.
Haven't you heard of the reformation of Nuclear Assualt, Dark Angel, Annihilator and Destruction?
Or the big festival with Testament?
Dudes, stop living in the past, Metal is stronger now than ever.
Here in Europe, we have many bands like Bodom, Witchery, At-the-Gates, In Flames, Nasum and a myriad others.
Metal? Thrash, Noise, Grind or Death, it's all available.
You just have to get up off your chair and go to your local music store.
Forget tawdry bands like selloutica,
The so-called Metalheads here would be better served supporting bands who are true.
Not tired old ted-nugent freaks, like Lars Oilrig and his sad band.
They had far more metal in their viens than Metallica ever had.
They done one duff album to get off a sony deal. (Risk) So what?
I have met Dave Mustaine and he has none of the awful ego-isms of those appalling prima-donna's in metallica.
He loves the metal scene, and has real integrity rather than mindless showmanship to his credit.
And another thing.
Thrash metal is actually quite alive. Just check any metal-record label website. I Suggest Nuclear Blast.
I don't know where you got the notion that metal is weakened in any way. MTV, perhaps?
Even the 1980's variety of cheese lives on.
Haven't you heard of the reformation of Nuclear Assualt, Dark Angel, Annihilator and Destruction?
Or the big festival with Testament?
Dudes, stop living in the past, Metal is stronger now than ever.
Here in Europe, we have many bands like Bodom, Witchery, At-the-Gates, In Flames, Nasum and a myriad others.
Metal? Thrash, Noise, Grind or Death, it's all available.
You just have to get up off your chair and go to your local music store.
Forget tawdry bands like selloutica,
The so-called Metalheads here would be better served supporting bands who are true.
Not tired old ted-nugent freaks, like Lars Oilrig and his sad band.
metalhead
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It's pretty hard to continue hunting down gems from a genre whose defining album was recorded in 1983. Not that it isn't worth listening to, but there are so many more enriching musical experiences out there. Granted, I'd rather get thrash from Metallica than weird alternative stuff, but since they, and no other band, will ever top Kill 'Em All or Master of Puppets when it comes to metal, it's kinda pointless for them to continue in that vein anyway. When it comes to metal, you live in the past because that's when all the best music was made. Most of the metal bands you hear now are just rehashing old music, because unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot you can do with thrash other than play your guitar and bang on the drums as fast as is humanly possible. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of that type of music, but it's already been taken to the limits, and every time I pick up what I consider to be a find at my local music store, it ends up being garbage when I listen to it.
And Megadeth? Symphony of Destruction, while it is a decent album, isn't exactly heavy on the metal, either. Some of their '80's stuff is pretty good, but don't think for a second that Dave Mustaine wouldn't rather be with Metallica right now. He'd be about 100 times as wealthy, and say what you will about "staying true", but everyone in the music business is out to make money, and the people who "stay true" are usually the ones who don't have the talent to make money by selling out. Most metal bands have too limited an amount of talent to play anything outside their narrow niche, which is fine with metalheads, but isn't exactly fattening their wallets. Not that I think Metallica is the most talented band in the world, but they have been able to sustain a very sizable fan base over the past 22 years, and make a lot of coin in the process.
And Megadeth? Symphony of Destruction, while it is a decent album, isn't exactly heavy on the metal, either. Some of their '80's stuff is pretty good, but don't think for a second that Dave Mustaine wouldn't rather be with Metallica right now. He'd be about 100 times as wealthy, and say what you will about "staying true", but everyone in the music business is out to make money, and the people who "stay true" are usually the ones who don't have the talent to make money by selling out. Most metal bands have too limited an amount of talent to play anything outside their narrow niche, which is fine with metalheads, but isn't exactly fattening their wallets. Not that I think Metallica is the most talented band in the world, but they have been able to sustain a very sizable fan base over the past 22 years, and make a lot of coin in the process.
Double Barrel
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Well said, metalhead.
Curt, no offense, but the metal scene in the U.S. is pretty dead (and I don't get any "news" from MTV...hell, I don't even have cable right now!). As far as Megadeth, "Rust in Peace" is the last decent CD they've put out, and that was over 13 years ago! I read recently where Mustaine said Pantera just ripped off all of his riffs...what a bunch of arrogant crap! Dimebag can walk circles around that fluffy-haired poser. He may have been cool when you met him, but he was a prick when some friends of mine tried to meet him. I agree with metalhead, Dave is just jealous.
As far as metal, sure, there are some bands (like System of a Down) that are still making pretty good *fresh* metal, but, all in all, most of the bands you mentioned are rehashing the old thrash style. Been there, done that.
If I want that stuff, like metalhead said, it has been done to the best it can, with old Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, Death Angel, etc., from the late '80's.
There are some "recent" (past 10 years) bands like Pantera, Sepultura, Superjoint Ritual, Testament, etc., that are still putting out good metal, but it is still very underground, at least in this part of the states.
Curt, no offense, but the metal scene in the U.S. is pretty dead (and I don't get any "news" from MTV...hell, I don't even have cable right now!). As far as Megadeth, "Rust in Peace" is the last decent CD they've put out, and that was over 13 years ago! I read recently where Mustaine said Pantera just ripped off all of his riffs...what a bunch of arrogant crap! Dimebag can walk circles around that fluffy-haired poser. He may have been cool when you met him, but he was a prick when some friends of mine tried to meet him. I agree with metalhead, Dave is just jealous.
As far as metal, sure, there are some bands (like System of a Down) that are still making pretty good *fresh* metal, but, all in all, most of the bands you mentioned are rehashing the old thrash style. Been there, done that.
If I want that stuff, like metalhead said, it has been done to the best it can, with old Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeth, Slayer, Testament, Death Angel, etc., from the late '80's.
There are some "recent" (past 10 years) bands like Pantera, Sepultura, Superjoint Ritual, Testament, etc., that are still putting out good metal, but it is still very underground, at least in this part of the states.
Furry Spatula
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i also must agree with metalhead. I didn't mean to say that the cd was the same as their previous ones, but it did get closer in terms of sound to their earlier albums.
And with metalhead's staying true statement. I fully agree
And with metalhead's staying true statement. I fully agree
Wolfe Tone
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I picked it up today, I liked it. Sure it's not as good as some of their earlier stuff but there are some good songs on it.
Phantom Lord
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The very essence of thrash metal was most certainly defined by Exodus' "Bonded by Blood". Four common Exodus songs were not included due to copyright issues concerning Kirk Hammet's part of ownership (Hell's Breath, Death Row, Die by His Hand, Impaler). The album itself was ready at the same time "Kill 'em All" was, unfortunately they messed up with the artwork. After Baloff left, Exodus was history. The possible revival never really happened due to his death.
Megadeth went their own way after Dave was fired from Metallica, too complex to be a big commercial success probably. But I love their old stuff.
The fourth of the family, Slayer, never compensated the loss of Lombardo. Anyway I think that they were talented second to none and made five great albums.
St. Anger ain't so bad, especially the title song is OK, altough it quotes the old days a little too much. Metallica opened the door for metal to become real big, I think that's a great achievement altough their music suffered from paying the price.
Megadeth went their own way after Dave was fired from Metallica, too complex to be a big commercial success probably. But I love their old stuff.
The fourth of the family, Slayer, never compensated the loss of Lombardo. Anyway I think that they were talented second to none and made five great albums.
St. Anger ain't so bad, especially the title song is OK, altough it quotes the old days a little too much. Metallica opened the door for metal to become real big, I think that's a great achievement altough their music suffered from paying the price.
Phantom Lord
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del plz
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During the weekend I was thinking about picking up this new album, well, just for the name of Metallica (feel free to bash me for that 
). Seems like St. Anger may not be a masterpiece, but at least an above average work.
The title song's MV in prison S.Q. must be a set. The fat guard can't even get his lines smooth...
I was in a concert of "The World Needs A Hero" tour, and IMHO, Dave still was at his best, though I really dislike their stuff after "Rust In Peace". And the tour continued as the concert I attended was 3 days after 911... Dave appeared to be extremely mad at the terrorists and said "No way, it takes a few more ****ers like them to cancel the tour." Well, that's how he is.
). Seems like St. Anger may not be a masterpiece, but at least an above average work.The title song's MV in prison S.Q. must be a set. The fat guard can't even get his lines smooth...
I was in a concert of "The World Needs A Hero" tour, and IMHO, Dave still was at his best, though I really dislike their stuff after "Rust In Peace". And the tour continued as the concert I attended was 3 days after 911... Dave appeared to be extremely mad at the terrorists and said "No way, it takes a few more ****ers like them to cancel the tour." Well, that's how he is.
Greadius
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I downloaded it yesterday (and am awaiting its arrival from Amazon...), first rock album I've enjoyed since... well, its been a few years.
Unlike most people, though, I really enjoy Load & ReLoad, probably my two favorite albums, while I find "Kill 'Em All" an enthusiast. Perhaps I benefit from being a Metallica fan without being a metal fan (or 80s rock
). The 80s fans may be the purists but I'm the fan that had them selling a few gazillion albums worldwide so they can send their kids to Harvard 
Unlike most people, though, I really enjoy Load & ReLoad, probably my two favorite albums, while I find "Kill 'Em All" an enthusiast. Perhaps I benefit from being a Metallica fan without being a metal fan (or 80s rock
). The 80s fans may be the purists but I'm the fan that had them selling a few gazillion albums worldwide so they can send their kids to Harvard
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You release that is all speculative.
Of course rock is about cash, it is a business.
Always has been and always will be.
But anyway...
oh dear!
It seems one or two of the ex-Metal faithful in the good old USA-of A have lost touch with the scene.
Pantera? Crap, and disbanded.
Sepultura? Lost the skill ages ago.
Testament? Still going strong.
SJ ritual? A new and boring band.
SOAD? A band that I have no time for.
There is more to 35+ years of metal than 5 or 6 bands, chaps.
Reading much of what you both said,
I have to ask: What are you guys talking about?
I am a veteran of the 1987-88 UK metal explosion, and all the happenings from then until know.
I am no has-been (like I suspect you and metal-head to be) I am up to date with all releases and tours.
I write this with my Iced Earth shirt on, in a room containing 800 CDs.
Many of which have been bought in the last 3 years.
So metal has died out, then?
Don't talk such nonsense, gentlemen.
Let me tell you, the metal/rock scene is still huge in here in Europe.
And the music is not a rehash, but new concepts by young bands and seasoned musicians who have real talent.
Guys like you and Mr 'metalhead' make me laugh.
Caught in the past and refusing to look at the new scene that is in need of support.
While you argue about a band that deserves not one cent.
You say you have not much metal over there in MTV-controlled USA, which I know is false.
There is this thing called the internet that you can search for labels that offer hundreds of great METAL albums.
You boys seem to be that amusing kind of rocker, the tired, sold out kind.
The kind that think because they couldn't keep the pace, that all metal must be on the way out.
Wake up!
The US/Euro scene has not weakened one iota, it is stronger now than ever.
Honestly you guys seem to be out of touch.
If you want good albums - check these:
http://www.nuclearblast.de/
http://www.relapse.com/
http://www.limb-music.de/
http://www.centurymedia.com/
Now tell me metal is dead.
And that rubbish about metal being gone in the USA?
GARBAGE!
The USA produces many, many fine bands and albums.
Relapse and Century Media are both US labels, with a ton of suberb Metal bands on their catalogue.
Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am a metal fanatic, and feel that you both were in dire need of re-education.
There are a million types of good rock and metal out there, you just have to get beyond the tired material of bands like metallica to find it.
Losing your love for rock is the alternative.
I will keep rocking, I hope you do too.
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BTW:
I will not be buying St Anger.
My hard-earned pounds will be spent on good, uplifting metal.
I will not be buying St Anger.
My hard-earned pounds will be spent on good, uplifting metal.
Higher Game
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Metallica, Guns N' Roses, and all other talented bands all died in 1991 when Nirvana became popular. 
I recently bought a Motley Crue CD, and I still listen to 80's metal. The good stuff.
I recently bought a Motley Crue CD, and I still listen to 80's metal. The good stuff.
metalhead
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Curt - I've tried many of these labels already, and have found they don't stand up to music that was made 20 years ago, at least not to my ears. I'm not refusing to be open - I've opened up to it and found it not to my liking. We can disagree on whether it's good or not, but that's simply a matter of taste.
And it's no nostalgia thing - I was 4 years old when Kill 'Em All was released. I'll admit, my taste when it comes to metal is rather narrow, but what I've listened to just doesn't do it for me. I know the scene is alive and well - and I'm glad. But I will continue to do what I've always done - rock out to the songs I like best, and keep my ears open for new sounds that do it for me. Haven't found any recently, but I hopefully will.
And until then, I will hopefully be free from hasty, erroneous judgements made by fellow metal fans
And it's no nostalgia thing - I was 4 years old when Kill 'Em All was released. I'll admit, my taste when it comes to metal is rather narrow, but what I've listened to just doesn't do it for me. I know the scene is alive and well - and I'm glad. But I will continue to do what I've always done - rock out to the songs I like best, and keep my ears open for new sounds that do it for me. Haven't found any recently, but I hopefully will.
And until then, I will hopefully be free from hasty, erroneous judgements made by fellow metal fans
Double Barrel
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LMAO @ CurtSibling. You are truly a close-minded metal elitist...which I mean with the kindest of regards.
Metal is merely one of the many forms of music that I have opened my mind to, and metal is one that only serves the mood now.
There is no musicianship in most of the current metal, especially after you have tasted the sweetness of jazz fusion and Frank Zappa. (Let alone Mr. Bungle, etc.)
I've many friends that turn me on to the metal bands you speak of, as I've been playing metal guitar for the past 20 years (and still do), we network. But it is still all rehash and nothing new under the sun. The bands you mention are barely worth the letters on this page. They are wannabes that wish they were born a generation earlier when the genre was actually fresh.
But, I do welcome additional sources of new music, so thanks for the links and heads up. Unfortunately, you seem to be a bit more obsessed with MTV than metalhead or myself, as I haven't watched that trash EVER. And you should remember that metal has always had a much more devoted following in Europe than the flavor-of-the-month atmosphere in the U.S. The city I live in is dominated by country garbage & Tejano, so the good tours do not make it to this backwater town.
However, if you should call Pantera crap and hold Dave Mustaine and his watered down pop-metal as some kind of beacon of nu-metal, then I have no use for your opinion as it obviously has very little bearing on the heaviness that I seek in my metal. I can easily admit Metallica sold out, but it is the same with Megadeth, except Dave just couldn't write the hooks as good as James.
I liken most of this new breed of metal to the pop-punk that has dominated the charts lately: the same tired forumula ripped off by yet another generation. *yawn*
Metal is merely one of the many forms of music that I have opened my mind to, and metal is one that only serves the mood now.
There is no musicianship in most of the current metal, especially after you have tasted the sweetness of jazz fusion and Frank Zappa. (Let alone Mr. Bungle, etc.)
I've many friends that turn me on to the metal bands you speak of, as I've been playing metal guitar for the past 20 years (and still do), we network. But it is still all rehash and nothing new under the sun. The bands you mention are barely worth the letters on this page. They are wannabes that wish they were born a generation earlier when the genre was actually fresh.
But, I do welcome additional sources of new music, so thanks for the links and heads up. Unfortunately, you seem to be a bit more obsessed with MTV than metalhead or myself, as I haven't watched that trash EVER. And you should remember that metal has always had a much more devoted following in Europe than the flavor-of-the-month atmosphere in the U.S. The city I live in is dominated by country garbage & Tejano, so the good tours do not make it to this backwater town.
However, if you should call Pantera crap and hold Dave Mustaine and his watered down pop-metal as some kind of beacon of nu-metal, then I have no use for your opinion as it obviously has very little bearing on the heaviness that I seek in my metal. I can easily admit Metallica sold out, but it is the same with Megadeth, except Dave just couldn't write the hooks as good as James.
I liken most of this new breed of metal to the pop-punk that has dominated the charts lately: the same tired forumula ripped off by yet another generation. *yawn*
