kryszcztov
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I'm not getting Vista (if I'm forced to use it daily) even if I'm paid, say, 1,000 $. A (virtual) mutilation isn't worth some money.
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GenMarshall
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I dont see how thats a reason to upgrade. All I see are headahces on trying to upgrade my drivers and programs, as well as uninstall other programsI just saw a reason to upgrade
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MarineCorps
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I dont see how thats a reason to upgrade. All I see are headahces on trying to upgrade my drivers and programs, as well as uninstall other programs
A $300 OS for FREE is a reason to upgrade.
Xanikk999
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But why not just stay in xp considering these reasons:
Reasons #1 said:
And the more important reasons:
Bad Points:
'Reasons #2 said:
If you dont know what im talking about in reasons no 2 im afraid your lost anyway. Another hopeless consumer....
Chairman Meow
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If I offered to sell you a pet rock for $300 and then later decided to give it to you for free, would you treasure the rock forever?
(Not saying that you shouldn't take advantage of that, just commenting on the logic you're using there: just because something is labeled with a certain price, doesn't necessarily mean it's worth that price)
Maniacal
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Meow, I'll pay you $500 for that pet rock if it keeps OS Tigers away.
GenMarshall
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Ok, have fun having headaches trying to upgrade your drivers and programs, as well as reinstaling non-Vista compadible programs.
MarineCorps
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Not saying I am going to treasure it but getting it free free would be nice.
Don't own an iPod nor do I burn cds. I am also a Computer technology Major so I know about #2. I don't feel like going into it but some of those are exaggeration's.
Ok, have fun having headaches trying to upgrade your drivers and programs, as well as reinstaling non-Vista compadible programs.
Never said I was going to upgrade RIGHT away.
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Free, free, free, free... as in beer ! You will see, one day, they'll accept going to jail for free.
Well, Vista is the possibility for you to pay to get much unneeded annoyance. And for what ? Aero ? 
Computers is still in the prehistorical age. Nowhere else would the crappiest compagnies own the market like they are doing to day : Microsoft, Intel, etc...
If you mean installing Vista via the upgrade process, then I don't know how well that works. But I've had very few problems on a fresh install.Ok, have fun having headaches trying to upgrade your drivers and programs, as well as reinstaling non-Vista compadible programs.
The install took a little less than half an hour. Afterwards there was no driver hunting (video card, printer, drawing tablet were detected upon connection and worked flawlessly), and none of the apps I use have exhibited compatibility problems. Visual Studio 2005, TortoiseSVN, Win32 ports of GNU utilities, Paint.net, some Xvid codec I downloaded somewhere, and a bunch of my games (including every single Civ game I own) all work. I regularly access data off my file server, and have watched DVDs, ripped CDs, and streamed images and music to my Xbox 360.
One thing I keep seeing here is "Vista has issues/will stop you from doing this/sucks" without any specifics. Are these comments simply hearsay, or from first-hand experience? If the latter, I'd love to hear more specifics.
With the above in mind, here are the things I dislike:
- It feels a bit slower than XP. Not a whole lot, but it's noticeable if you dual boot between the two.
- Flip3D may look neat in screenshots, but I still use Alt+Tab over it. Both have live updating views of windows, but in Flip3D all except the front window are mostly covered by the preceding window. There's no window caption. Overall it just isn't as useful as Alt+Tab.
- Backup app has been dumbed down. You can't select individual files to backup; instead there are general categories like "pictures" and "documents". This simplification will work well with people like my mom, but power users won't like it.
- UI feels rough in places. Some Control Panel applets still have basically the same UI from XP (Display, Keyboard, Mouse, Screen Saver settings...). Other apps have a new page UI (Desktop Background, Windows Update, Programs, Power Options, Network settings...). The overall mixture creates a disjointed experience.
- Why so many editions??? There should just be Server and Client.
I do like most of the changes and few features, however, so Vista is staying on my computer.
Genocidicbunny
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Simple solution to getting the 300$ OS for free, take it, and sell it on Ebay. I think there are enough idiots out there who will actually buy it.
Maniacal
the green Napoleon
Hey, there's an article on The National on CBC coming up, I'll post what they say here.
EDIT: It had a blurb from a M$ spokes guy at the beginning, some clip of Bill Gates mentioning his daughter and son (he got laid?) complaining that they don't like him being able to track their online habits (I would have thought they'd have their OWN computers?) and then it lists 4 common complainst from internet bloggers;
1) Uses a tonne of memory
2) will only run on a mroe expensive/newer computer
3) can't remember
4) The constant security pop-ups are ANOYING
So it was rather balanced news clip. However the article on CBC News is purely pro-vista.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/windows-vista2.html
EDIT: It had a blurb from a M$ spokes guy at the beginning, some clip of Bill Gates mentioning his daughter and son (he got laid?) complaining that they don't like him being able to track their online habits (I would have thought they'd have their OWN computers?) and then it lists 4 common complainst from internet bloggers;
1) Uses a tonne of memory
2) will only run on a mroe expensive/newer computer
3) can't remember
4) The constant security pop-ups are ANOYING
So it was rather balanced news clip. However the article on CBC News is purely pro-vista.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tech/windows-vista2.html
My computer specs: AMD Athlon 2700+, 1 GB RAM, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB, 20 GB partition. I looked up my NewEgg invoice, and apparently built the machine summer of 2003 for $1,300. It's nearly 4 years old, yet runs Vista fine. The only upgrade since has been an additional PVR card, and a 24" monitor, the latter of which adds an additional memory impact when running Aero due to the increased resolution.
Vista does consume more memory than XP, but I have enough RAM where this generally is not an issue (meaning I do not experience excessive swapping). I haven't disabled any services yet, including services that do not exist under XP such as the search indexer, SuperFetch, and ReadyBoost. I'm also running Aero, which has a rather large memory impact of its own (it varies depending on the number of open windows, but can be ~100 MB or so).
And lastly, people claiming that the security pop ups are annoying are a pet peeve of mine. Several points:
1. Yes, you get a lot of them during the first few days when you install and configure system stuff. But now during regular usage? I only see them when I run an installation program. I suppose it can be an issue if you fiddle with your hardware daily, defrag manually, install stuff everyday, and save stuff in non-standard locations--all of these will result in a security pop up. The last one is what seems to annoy people the most.
2. Regular users likely don't care, but I like to think of it from a security standpoint as well. To me, preventing users from willy-nilly saving and modifying stuff in C:\, C:\Windows, C:\Program Files is a good thing. I'm sure you've heard stories of people trying to reorganize the DLLs in system32, or deleting stuff out of Program Files. My mom shouldn't be touching any of those things. Moreover, this prevents stuff like drive-by spyware from deeply embedding itself in the system, and thus giving spyware scanners an easier time removing them.
3. Vista+UAC is better than XP as non-administrator. I've ran XP like that for years, so I know what it feels like (the most aggravating thing was the inability to view the date/time applet under XP as non-admin). And yes, I do realize that the situation is better under Linux, but it's still an improvement over XP nonetheless.
4. If the security popups are really annoying, disable them. Search for 'UAC group policy'. However, I'm sure you'll agree that most people are not power users, and therefore I believe the default popup settings are good.
5. "What's the point? Users will click Continue anyway!" Probably, but it'll at least raise awareness among software developers. Now they'll know it's not okay to save stuff in \system32 anymore, or to create logs in c:\temp. This'll lead to better apps in the future, and allow future versions of Windows to have increased security. And for those worried about it breaking apps that write to Program Files (id games are notorious for that), Vista virtualizes writes to Program Files and certain parts of the registry so that such apps continue working.
GenMarshall
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What about my Dell XPS Laptop that is a year old? I doubt that my laptop would even be free of headaches. As for your statement about "heresy", I actualy ran the "Dell Windows Vista Assessment Tool" and the "Vista Upgrade Advisor" and it told me that I have drivers that needs to be updated (The drivers currently work fine in XP) as well as programs that I have to uninstall. Am I going to waste my time trying to uninstalling programs and updating drivers? No, so I am sticking with XP-tan (Link to what I am talking about).
MarineCorps
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Dell is already claiming they have sold tens of thousands of vista machines. 
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Linux has been doing this for 15 years, and Unix for 30 years. You can get Linux for free, while Vista costs a lot of money. So why should I pay for something I can get for free ?
Ha !
GenMarshall
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No, you can get Vista THROUGH Dell.Dell is already claiming they have sold tens of thousands of vista machines.
MarineCorps
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No. DELL is claiming to have sold tens of thousands of vista machines over the weekend.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2007-01-29-vista-ballmer_x.htm
Because then I have to deal with Linux's problems. If you have the time and inclination to learn how to setup and maintain an OS, then sure, but I've been down that path with Red Hat, Gentoo, Mandrake, and Slackware in the past, and while things may've improved since with Ubuntu, I'm not counting on it (although I do intend on installing Ubuntu once I have the space). The price of Linux is great. So is the time I had to spend on it.
And as a nitpick, NT has had file security and the ability to run as non-admin since at least NT 4, a 10 year old OS in a line of OSs that's only 13 years old. Doing those things has always been possible for me, it was just a bit rough from a UI standpoint until Vista.
In response to CivGeneral, if the compatibility advisor says you need to update drivers and reinstall apps, and you're perfectly happy with XP, then great. You have no reason to switch; stick with XP. But don't make it sound like all Vista users will automatically have problems.
GenMarshall
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Incorrect, you can buy Windows Vista through Dell. The same said if you can buy Windows Vista through Staples, Best Buy, or CompUSA.
You may be a computer major, but I know someone who is an economics/business major and will disagree with you.
No OS is free of problems, Mister.sliph said:
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