Oh, there's no problem at all with the brimmed hats. Avoiding "little robbinhoodses" was a good thought, I imagine! *shudder*aaglo said:
I think I won't vote on the hobbit cavalry thing, at least yet, cuz I haven't formed an opinion!
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I think I won't vote on the hobbit cavalry thing, at least yet, cuz I haven't formed an opinion!
fe3333au
Deity
Regarding the Bullroarer Pony Riding discussion
What does the quote actually say regarding Bullroarer Took(?)
From memory it mentions that he was so tall that he could ride a horse ... but does it say that he was the tallest hobbit ever
I wonder ... was this riding skill picked up serving the Man army ... or did the great Bullroarer already sit comfortably in a saddle
...
If he already pocessed this skill then he would have had to learn riding when still in the Shire ... if we follow this thought then perhaps a small horse would not be so outrageous or even a company of riders made up of Bullroarer and others not so tall, but still over average in height ...
Just a thought
Keep up the goodwork
What does the quote actually say regarding Bullroarer Took(?)
From memory it mentions that he was so tall that he could ride a horse ... but does it say that he was the tallest hobbit ever
I wonder ... was this riding skill picked up serving the Man army ... or did the great Bullroarer already sit comfortably in a saddle
... If he already pocessed this skill then he would have had to learn riding when still in the Shire ... if we follow this thought then perhaps a small horse would not be so outrageous or even a company of riders made up of Bullroarer and others not so tall, but still over average in height ...
Just a thought
Keep up the goodwork
aaglo
Furioso!
I have a few issues regarding the hobbit defence lines:
I assume you would want 2 different spearmen units. One spearman would be wielding 2-handed spear, the other would wield spear and shield (right?). Which of those two would come later (i.e. would have something like chainmail shirt - opposed to the earlier leather shirt)?
I was thinking, that handling a 2-hand spear would be easier - atleast compared to using both spear and shield. But in civ-world, the 2-handed units come later (generally). So, what do you think?
Should I make the 2-handed spearman look later (wearing chainmail) or earlier (wearing leather armour)?
I assume you would want 2 different spearmen units. One spearman would be wielding 2-handed spear, the other would wield spear and shield (right?). Which of those two would come later (i.e. would have something like chainmail shirt - opposed to the earlier leather shirt)?
I was thinking, that handling a 2-hand spear would be easier - atleast compared to using both spear and shield. But in civ-world, the 2-handed units come later (generally). So, what do you think?
Should I make the 2-handed spearman look later (wearing chainmail) or earlier (wearing leather armour)?
aaglo
Furioso!
Okay. Somehow I don't feel very creative right now - this is where you people come to play. What's wrong with this hobbit? It's obviously a spearman, but somehow it doesn't look very interesting... or have I gone somewhat blind to my own creations? What mainly concerns me are:
- hat (it looks quite 18th-century american?)
- sleeves (enough with the stripes already!?!?)
- trousers (look: sleeves)
- shield (is that flower-motif a bit too hippy? or should the shape be something else than round?)
- leather armour (should I add large shoulder pads?)
- is the cloak ok?
... oh my, there's not much left of the hobbit
anyhow, here's a preview.
- hat (it looks quite 18th-century american?)
- sleeves (enough with the stripes already!?!?)
- trousers (look: sleeves)
- shield (is that flower-motif a bit too hippy? or should the shape be something else than round?)
- leather armour (should I add large shoulder pads?)
- is the cloak ok?
... oh my, there's not much left of the hobbit
anyhow, here's a preview.
GRM7584
King
Hat - Remove.
Sleeves - Solid color...not sure whether white or civ-color would be more appropriate.
Everything else looks aaglo-quality to me.
Sleeves - Solid color...not sure whether white or civ-color would be more appropriate.
Everything else looks aaglo-quality to me.
I think the cloak looks great, but instead of the hat (which I vote off for variety's sake), why not have the hood of the cloak up on the little guy's head? I'd probably also change the color of the pants since the red and the brown tend to blend in with the leather jerkin.
The unit looks great as is, but these are just some suggestions.
The unit looks great as is, but these are just some suggestions.
The Last Conformist
Irresistibly Attractive
Hobbit chariots? :shakehead I leave you for a couple days, and you start discussing hobbit chariots? :shakehead
A thought re: pony-mounted scouts; who last saw an AI use an Explorer? About the only way, it seems, of making the AI use scouting units is to make them available very early on. Would early scouting be an appropriate hobbit specialty?
I think the problem with that hobbit spearman can be stated quite succintly; he looks like he's trekking in the mountains, not marching to battle. Suggestions to rectify that would include more obvious armour, and a more 'martial' stance; let him carry his spear on the shoulder instead of using it as a walking stick.
I don't think you need worry about "hippy" shield designs; one can hardly see them at civ-scale anyway!
A thought re: pony-mounted scouts; who last saw an AI use an Explorer? About the only way, it seems, of making the AI use scouting units is to make them available very early on. Would early scouting be an appropriate hobbit specialty?
I think the problem with that hobbit spearman can be stated quite succintly; he looks like he's trekking in the mountains, not marching to battle. Suggestions to rectify that would include more obvious armour, and a more 'martial' stance; let him carry his spear on the shoulder instead of using it as a walking stick.
I don't think you need worry about "hippy" shield designs; one can hardly see them at civ-scale anyway!
Scytale
Shaping the Old World
I agree about the hood instead of the hat. The shield looks very good. The unit is great.
WildWeazel
Going Dutch
Spearman: GRM + CamJH = me 
Ponies: yes, but not an archer, nor called Bullroarer.
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Ponies: yes, but not an archer, nor called Bullroarer.
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Cyber Dreyk
Master of illusions
I think that it's better to make two pony riders for hobbits. One of them - pony archer and the second one - armed with chain mail and have a sword (like Merry and Pippin when they are returned to Shire after adventures).zxe said:
Point is that we have 4 eras and its too little having only one mounted unit for all them.
aaglo
Furioso!
A hood...? You guys aren't making my life any easier 
Ok, I'll see what I can do about that, but I sure won't give you any guarantees .
Maybe I'll recolour the pants - a bit brighter red perhaps
And I'll change the sleeves to civ-coloured (propably I won't throw away the stripes - I'll see how they come if there are darker and lighter civ-colour stripes included )
He's not marching anywhere ( ), he's standing still. That's quite natural way to hold a spear, when you aren't moving - completely different thing though when you're running
The more obvious armor comes in the later period (= 2-handed spear-hobbit), altough I might add a bit more shoulder-pads on this one.
Ok, I'll see what I can do about that, but I sure won't give you any guarantees
.Maybe I'll recolour the pants - a bit brighter red perhaps
And I'll change the sleeves to civ-coloured (propably I won't throw away the stripes - I'll see how they come if there are darker and lighter civ-colour stripes included
)I understand what you mean, but I disagree.TLC said:
He's not marching anywhere (
), he's standing still. That's quite natural way to hold a spear, when you aren't moving - completely different thing though when you're running The more obvious armor comes in the later period (= 2-handed spear-hobbit), altough I might add a bit more shoulder-pads on this one.
Greenlocke
Northern Hermit
Hmmm. Good point. Since I see them as primarily sedentary, I'm not sure about an early scout. What do the texts say? I know that 'adventures' seems to have been the typical 'coming of age' stories for young boy hobbits, however I don't know how much they travelled early on.The Last Conformist said:
@aaglo: no hat, sleeves look fine, as do trousers, shield is great (pipeweed was the shire's greatest export
), and the cloak and armour look fine. I wouldn't mind seeing the hobbit's head is all. It looks great. 
@Cyber Dreyk: The only thing is that PCH and mrtn didn't really want a mounted hobbit line at all. (I think.) And since there is only 1 recorded instance in history of hobbits riding horses, to give them a whole mounted line seems a little....innacurate.
Alright, I guess we forget the ponies?
I especially like the shield, aaglo. The rest is fine with me too. If you want to try a hood in place of the hat, then by all means do it. Otherwise, the hat sort of reminds me of a Kettle Helmet:
I especially like the shield, aaglo. The rest is fine with me too. If you want to try a hood in place of the hat, then by all means do it. Otherwise, the hat sort of reminds me of a Kettle Helmet:
The Capitalist
Chieftain
I think the helmet would most definately be appropriate for the two-handed spear unit.I think the hood or hat is fine for the first spearman.
aaglo
Furioso!
hmmm... the hood looks actually quite okay, but I'm not sure if this spearman-unit is the right place to use it. Propably the hobbits are a bit casual in their military outfittings
Here's a preview.
Here's a preview.
tjedge1
Writer of writerly things
I love the cloak, and if it the guys making the final say don't want it on a spearman than surely it could go on another unit. It's too good to just toss away.
aaglo
Furioso!
Hi!
Here's a first look on the hobbit pikeman. Actually the weapon is a gaff (?) - a log-rafting tool, so it would suit quite well with the hobbit-style "every-day-tools-for-weapons" -mentality . I also made him wear a chainmail shirt, since I just find it hard to picture these guys wearing plate armour. You may also notice, that he is also wearing a "hat" made of that same chainmail material.
Enough with the babbling! Here's the preview.
Here's a first look on the hobbit pikeman. Actually the weapon is a gaff (?) - a log-rafting tool, so it would suit quite well with the hobbit-style "every-day-tools-for-weapons" -mentality
. I also made him wear a chainmail shirt, since I just find it hard to picture these guys wearing plate armour. You may also notice, that he is also wearing a "hat" made of that same chainmail material.Enough with the babbling! Here's the preview.
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