Might Karl Rove go to jail?

[Azadre]

doesnt matter, accusations don't matter, its who actually gets convicted. and this isnt something rove or novak could ever possibly be convicted of, especially rove who, if you hadnt noticed, has some friends in low places.

Rove is not above the law.

 

[Azadre]

I really hate this. CNN, FoxNews, and MSNBC will ride the Jackson trial until we know every fold of Jackson's penis, but this story is not even being covered...

Danger of leaking names not lost on president's father

A reporter for the New York Times went to jail to protect a source in the administration of President George W. Bush, the same administration that despises her newspaper, which despises his administration.

Here's another. In 1991, the president's father, former President George H.W. Bush, said he wouldn't tolerate the leaking of identities of covert CIA officers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...7,1,7399764.column?coll=chi-homepagenews2-utl

 

[ironduck]

Unlike Bush Jr., Sr. is an old CIA guy, so that's not strange..

 

[wit>trope]

Curiously, you do not give away a source. Also, Washington elites do not know who are undercover agents. Spooks who are uncovered do not remain effective.

Well then I guess that's another reason to doubt that she was truly undercover or undercover at that time. I know that many people knew she was CIA. The source for my quote is here:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...newmedia.com/discus/messages/23011/23995.html

 

[Azadre]

Well then I guess that's another reason to doubt that she was truly undercover or undercover at that time. I know that many people knew she was CIA. The source for my quote is here:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...newmedia.com/discus/messages/23011/23995.html

That's not a source, that's another forum.

 

[wit>trope]

That's not a source, that's another forum.

So? I thought you were asking for a web link. I just said that I found it "on the web." Your semantics means nothing and doesn't change the facts. Just google her name with appropriate key words and you'll find a whole lot of stuff saying that she was not truly undercover or not undercover at that time -- including from media sources.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well then I guess that's another reason to doubt that she was truly undercover or undercover at that time. I know that many people knew she was CIA. The source for my quote is here:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...newmedia.com/discus/messages/23011/23995.html

Valerie Plame (born 1963) is a former American Central Intelligence Agency employee who was identified as a CIA "operative" in a newspaper column by Robert Novak on 14 July 2003. This created a political controversy and eventually led to a Justice Department investigation into possible violation of U.S. criminal law regarding exposure of covert government agents. As of April 2005 the investigation continued without apparent result.

Your source is dated Oct 2004, over a year after the outing. And BTW, I'm not so sure internet forums are a great source of reliable political information.

 

[Azadre]

So? I thought you were asking for a web link. I just said that I found it "on the web." Your semantics means nothing and doesn't change the facts. Just google her name with appropriate key words and you'll find a whole lot of stuff saying that she was not truly undercover or not undercover at that time -- including from media sources.

And if you google appropriate key words you can find that 9/11 was a zionist conspiracy. You have no argument other than repeating people who are scared to death this may actually link Rove or someone higher to treason.

 

[wit>trope]

And if you google appropriate key words you can find that 9/11 was a zionist conspiracy. You have no argument other than repeating people who are scared to death this may actually link Rove or someone higher to treason.

Saying it is treason is very silly especially since there is a SEPARATE LAW dealing specifically with this matter. If it were treason then there wouldn't be a need for this separate law. In fact if it were treason, they couldn't use this separate law to punish anyone since treason requires two direct witnesses (it's in the US constitution) whereas the separate statutory law does not require anything like that.

 

[Azadre]

Saying it is treason is very silly especially since there is a SEPARATE LAW dealing specifically with this matter. If it were treason then there wouldn't be a need for this separate law. In fact if it were treason, they couldn't use this separate law to punish anyone since treason requires two direct witnesses (it's in the US constitution) whereas the separate statutory law does not require anything like that.

I never said it was treason, but treasonous.

 

[wit>trope]

Your source is dated Oct 2004, over a year after the outing. And BTW, I'm not so sure internet forums are a great source of reliable political information.

Wait, you DO know that she told her lover LONG BEFORE Oct 2004, don't you? and well befefore the "outing."? If she told her lover on the 3rd or 4th date her CIA agent status, then she couldn't be that secret of an agent.

Your source puts "operative" in quotation marks, suggesting that it is doubtful that she even really is an operative in the conventional sense at all, let alone a top secret one. She probably just did some analysis or some other boring work for the CIA. She was NOT a James Bond style secret agent or a black ops agent or anything remotely like that. Anyone who thinks she was is being silly or watches too many movies.

 

[Azadre]

Your source puts "operative" in quotation marks, suggesting that it is doubtful that she even really is an operative in the conventional sense at all, let alone a top secret one. She probably just did some analysis or some other boring work for the CIA. She was NOT a James Bond style secret agent or a black ops agent or anything remotely like that. Anyone who thinks she was is being silly or watches too many movies.

I've been called by the CIA, and yes they do "jamesbond" things. That was a selling point.

And as for the "operative", the CIA does not acknowledge these groups even exist publicly. It's only when there is a leak that anything can be proven.

And nless you are her lover you won't know what the hell she did, just like Terry could walk, your claims are not valid.

 

[wit>trope]

I've been called by the CIA, and yes they do "jamesbond" things. That was a selling point.

Only a small minority of them do that. She didn't do anything like that. You sound like you are brainwashed my friend and your avatar proves it. Just do some research on this. SHE WAS NOT A JAMES BOND-style operative. NO ONE serious thinks she was!!! As I said, she probably had a boring desk job or something of that nature.

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[YNCS]

It doesn't matter what Plame did at the CIA. She was, in the definition of the law, an "operative" and therefore it was illegal to divulge her name.

 

[Azadre]

Only a small minority of them do that. She didn't do anything like that. You sound like you are brainwashed my friend and your avatar proves it. Just do some research on this. SHE WAS NOT A JAMES BOND-style operative. NO ONE serious thinks she was!!!

No one said she was a bond operative, she was a spy, a spook, an intelligence gatherer. Her job was at a false business overseas and her real motives were for the US intelligence. A blown operation severly hurts the US. To call me brainwashed because I can spot this out shows the desperation. Some one must be punished for interfering with a foreign intelligence operation. Not only was she revealed to be an operative, but her whole operation, the company and all the other workers would be at risk from terror groups that were being monitored in the region.

 

[wit>trope]

No one said she was a bond operative, she was a spy, a spook, an intelligence gatherer. Her job was at a false business overseas and her real motives were for the US intelligence. A blown operation severly hurts the US. To call me brainwashed because I can spot this out shows the desperation. Some one must be punished for interfering with a foreign intelligence operation. Not only was she revealed to be an operative, but her whole operation, the company and all the other workers would be at risk from terror groups that were being monitored in the region.

Being at a false business overseas doesn't make you a "spook" like the ones in the movies. You may be surprised to learn that most people who work in the foreign diplomatic core (like at embassies overseas) are actually intelligence "operatives." In fact I think one such person was mentioned in the whole bruhaha about the kidnapping of the terrorists in Italy.

 

[Azadre]

Being at a false business overseas doesn't make you a "spook" like the ones in the movies. You may be surprised to learn that most people who work in the foreign diplomatic core (like at embassies overseas) are actually intelligence "operatives." In fact I think one such person was mentioned in the whole bruhaha about the kidnapping of the terrorists in Italy.

Um, this whole discussion is about who leaked that she was a spook (i.e. she WAS a spook). What are you trying to claim? It's obvious embassies are used for spying. Why do you think the Iranians closed the embassy in '79? They were not going to have another project AJAX.

 

[Azadre]

I think the general concensus is that Rove is the force behind the "dirty tricks" and boldfaced lying that made this last campaign so ugly, and the patern started way back with Alan Dixon in 1970. (Google "Carl Rove Alan Dixon". All of the links are anti-Rove, but I have yet to see any sort of denial anywhere of the facts as presented therein.)

 

[VoodooAce]

It's doubtful that she was truly undercover or truly undercover at the time the story was published. People knew she was a CIA agent even before the story was published. It was "common knowledge" among Washington elite.

Undercover or not is more like a SPECTRUM. She was a wife and mother. It's not like she was at that time a James Bond style secret agent.

I found this on the web:



If she told her lover on the 3rd or 4th date that she was a CIA agent, she can't really be that undercover.

LOL. Linky, please. Interested to know the source on this one. This sounds even too biased for Faux News.

Typical to see the victim beginning to be bashed, here, by the right wing.

If a liberal had revealed a CIA agent in such a manner as this it would be the story on Faux News. Conservatives all over would have been screaming 'Treason! We are at WAR!'. Anyone doubt this?

 

[eyrei]

How about if he closes the case without issuing indictments? Would the media press the issue? I doubt it. Would the media dare to imply that the inquiry is fixed, and risk invoking the wrath of the millions of retards controlled by the RNC through FOX, and fascist hate radio? Nope.

I have a feeling that Judith Miller isn't going to let it go away...she isn't exactly some unknown journalist...and she can't be too happy about spending time in jail...