Military "Pictionary" Game II

[sydhe]

Damn the tricolor!!!!

If it wasn't for that, Russo-Turkish War would have been my first choice. The siege of Pleven (Plevne in Turkish) is an unforgettable legend in our history and AFAIK the first war covered on sight by international journalists. Those colors in the picture just didn't look like Romanian because it's black and white. I'm soooo mad at myself, you have no idea.

To tell you the truth, I didn't notice the tricolor when I posted the picture. Apparently the ensign wasn't added until 1881, which adds to the confusion.

 

[Steph]

It's 1863, but has Che Gueva gave most of the answer, I consider him the winner. But as he's to busy, and jeriko one gave the date, I think it's jeriko one's turn

 

[jeriko one]

Name of the Battle, date, and sides please. Thanks Steph.

 

[Steph]

Lots of Galley, lots od different nations (many different flags), so it's...

Lepanto... Again....

7 october 1571

The Holy League's fleet consisted of 206 galleys and 6 galleasses, and was ably commanded by Don John of Austria (Don Juan). Vessels were contributed by the various Christian factions: 105 galleys and 6 galleasses from Venice, 80 from Habsburg Spain, 12 from the Papal States, 3 from Genoa, 3 from Malta, 3 from Savoy and several privately owned galleys.

It was manned by 13,000 sailors and 43,000 rowers. In addition, it bore almost 30,000 fighting troops, chiefly Spanish regular infantry of excellent quality. Also present, and under Spanish pay, were German and Italian mercenary contingents from the various Habsburg dominions. Volunteers were also generously represented.

Ali Pacha (Ali Pasha), supported by the buccaneers Chulouk Bey of Alexandria (also called Scirocco, Mehmet Shuluk or Suluk Pasha) and Uluj Ali (also known as Uluch Ali and later Kilitch Ali), was at the head of approximately 220-230 galleys, 50-60 galliots and some smaller vessels belonging to the Ottomans. The Turks enjoyed skilled and experienced crews, but were somewhat deficient in soldiers.

 

[Rambuchan]

I'm going to quite selflessly (once again!) stick my neck out and start guiding things in the right direction (I hope).

These ships are unusual. Byzantine age vessels I am guessing (300AD-1100AD). We can see the turrets on the deck and also the use of 'greek fire'. However there is no gunpowder around (therefore it is at least pre 14th century). They do not power the ships by the wind alone (therefore it is pre-12-13th century).

These are European flags and coats of arms. I see Genoa's early red cross there (which if I am not mistaken is the similar symbol for the Maltese national flag). It also seems like they are doing battle in some straits, not open sea, as there is land on either side of the painting.

I put this all together and come up with two totally the wrong answers:

a) 941 ~ Byzantine fleet destroys Kievan fleet under Igor near Bosphorus Strait

b) 1298 ~ Battle of Curzola Island - Venetians under Andrea Dandolo defeat Genovese

 

[Rambuchan]

Damn you Steph

 

[Steph]

Rambuchan, you can spot flags from Habsburg and Savoy.
There's not so much naval battle where Savoy was present

 

[Rambuchan]

So was I right about the one flag I did recognise? The white cross on the red background?

I don't know much about this period of history anyway, just fishing in the dark.

 

[Steph]

So was I right about the one flag I did recognise? The white cross on the red background?

It's the cross of Savoy, but you didn't recognize it, you wrote about a red cross on a white background

 

[Rambuchan]

Doh! I'm getting my knickers in a twist over these red and white crosses. Afaik there is:

~ The Knights Templar (adorned Portuguese naval vessels)
~ The Cross of Saint George (England's national flag)
~ The Maltese flag
~ I believe the Genovese flag was the same as the Maltese
~ and many more, which just gets my brain all muddled.

If it's getting too OT, then we might start a thread to clarify which flags are which (?).

 

[Steph]

Hard to tell with a small picture

Genoa

This is your "Cross of Saint George"

Venice

I think we can spot a gold lion on a white field on some picture


Order of Malta (similar to Savoy)

 

[Rambuchan]

History of the Malta cross?

 

[soul_warrior]

you guys are just too fast...
good one steph

maybe one day ill manage to get one...

 

[Steph]

History of the Malta cross?

http://www2.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cross.htm

 

[Steph]

Speaking of crosses...

Here is my question

This is the heraldic symbol of a military order. This order was created shortly before a crusade.

Give the crusade dates, sides, objectives and main realisation

 

[Rambuchan]

http://www2.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cross.htm

Wow! Great link! Thanks!

I'll err get back to you about the question.

 

[jeriko one]

Well Done Steph. Nothing more to say. By the way was this battle asked before? Because you wrote `again`?

As for your the answer to your question: No idea.

 

[Steph]

Well Done Steph. Nothing more to say. By the way was this battle asked before? Because you wrote `again`?

As for your the answer to your question: No idea.

YEs, but I think it was in the first Military "Pictionary" Game thread

 

[Hornblower]

"The Knights Hospitaller" also known as the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta.
Founded following the first crusade to look after poorly and ill pilgrims who made it to Jerusalem but the groups activities soon expanded to provide armed escorts to pilgrims. Eventually the order divided into military brothers and those who worked with the sick.

 

[Steph]

No, it's not the knight hospitalier