[MOD] More Naval AI

ArkhanTheBlack · Feb 13, 2012

Assuming by "Rise" you meant Rise from Erebus, no, that would not be the reason; Nor does it have poor stability or AI at this point, thanks to Snarko.

It was dropped because we are tired of operating within the bounds of FfH; Much the same reason Ahwaric has chosen to work on Orbis 2 rather than Orbis, for example. We are working on one final release, which polishes the AI and fixes any stability issues we had. If you're interested in giving that release a try early, the beta is available.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...5#post11249695

Ah, that's good to hear. I've been waiting quite some time for a new version from Rise from Erebus and was a bit dissapointed, when it was dropped.
I played it once at least a year ago, and it had great features but some serious stability and AI issues. If those will be fixed, I'll definitely give it a try.

Red Key · Feb 13, 2012

ArkhanTheBlack said:
I just want to add here that WM wasn't 'abandoned'. It's a very clean and finished build.
The AI could be a bit better in end game, but besides that, the mod is probably the most polished FFH2 sub-mod available.

I agree that WM is clean, finished, polished, etc... but it is also abandoned. Arkhan in another thread you told me I would have to PM Sephi to request the source code for WM. Also the only way I could download WM was through links provided by players who didn't even develop the game. In my opinion that counts as abandoned, and it is sad that such a finished mod was abandoned.

Sorry to go off topic. I won't use up any more space in this thread on WM. Long live More Naval AI! :king:

edit: I said I wouldn't use more space on WM, so I will respond to Aline (see below) right here. The link you provided is to Master of Mana not WildMana. I know MoM started out as WM 9, but it changed so many things that it became a different mod (as it should).

Aline · Feb 13, 2012

WM is now here http://www.masterofmana.com oh and back to topic, thx for the update Tholal.

Terkhen · Feb 13, 2012

We spotted a bug with the new "capture siege equipment" feature. If the attacker is on a peak (for example, Abashi), the captured siege equipment will appear on the peak too.

FreeTacos · Feb 14, 2012

Woot

Had barbarians dropping galleys full of axemen on my strategic resources!

Played 3 games so far, well started .. Erebus continents, medium sea level, medium cohesion, city ruins on ... whoops, gotta stop using that option on Monarch

I was next to Khazad who explored everything .. killing himself and me with spectre/wraiths once, and a couple ogres the next time.. third time the barbs start doing naval invasions on my backside

Love the work! I gotta stop playing sloppy now. :king:

ooh /edit

Did +1 happy get removed from god king ? Or was that one of my local edits.

Darkling · Feb 14, 2012

There seems to be a bug with the Black Mirror (or equipment). Just had a stack of Svartalfar elves/tigers attack where they all had the black mirror promotion. I went into WB and had a quick look and it seems that this might be the only stack where that had happened.

They'd been at war with another side so perhaps when Svartalfar hero had died something buggy had happened? Earlier in the game I'd killed two Arthnenadains belonging to another side and captured a black mirror of my own (now I have enough to make a very interesting maze). So they'd managed to loose it previously.

FreeTacos · Feb 14, 2012

Stasis continues after the Illians are destroyed, I can't remember if this happened before.

[to_xp]Gekko · Feb 14, 2012

big congrats on the release Tholal, GREAT work

MagisterCultuum · Feb 15, 2012

I'm thinking of releasing a new version of MagisterModmod based on More Naval AI. I have merged my latest version with it and for the most part it seems to be working fine, but BugGameUtils.py seems to be preventing anything in CvGameUtils.py from being read. I've come across threads explaining how functions in CvGameUtils.py that were not in the default BtS version of the file can cause problems, but I don't understand why it seems to work fine in your version and not in mine. I made some changes to the file, but they were fairly minor. I did not add or remove any of your functions, only merged in things that worked perfectly without BUG.

FreeTacos · Feb 15, 2012

I have been looking at the tech screen, it appears that when you click on a tech, the code that adds the number of turns to the label, is also recalculating the location of the label and changing it. That would narrow down where to look, if I knew where to look in the first place

My first guess is there is a hard coded value or variable name not changed when they made the wide tech window. I looked in TechWindowWide.py but my eyes bugged out after a few minutes. :eek:

lfgr · Feb 15, 2012

v2.0, Great!

FreeTacos said:
I have been looking at the tech screen, it appears that when you click on a tech, the code that adds the number of turns to the label, is also recalculating the location of the label and changing it. That would narrow down where to look, if I knew where to look in the first place

My first guess is there is a hard coded value or variable name not changed when they made the wide tech window. I looked in TechWindowWide.py but my eyes bugged out after a few minutes.

In Screens/CvTechChooser, I changed

Code:

screen.setTextAt( szTechID, sPanel, szTechString, CvUtil.FONT_LEFT_JUSTIFY, iX + 6 + X_INCREMENT, iY + 6, -0.1, FontTypes.SMALL_FONT, WidgetTypes.WIDGET_TECH_TREE, i, -1 )

to

Code:

#reset so that it offsets from the tech record's panel
iX = 6
iY = 6
screen.setTextAt( szTechID, szTechRecord, szTechString, CvUtil.FONT_LEFT_JUSTIFY, iX + 6 + X_INCREMENT, iY + 6, -0.1, FontTypes.SMALL_FONT, WidgetTypes.WIDGET_TECH_TREE, i, -1 )

That way it is done in line ~160
Now It seem to work

EDIT: Tholal said he fixed it. I'm not sure we meant the same thing, I will dowload the repository and check it

Tholal · Feb 15, 2012

Terkhen said:
[*]BUG folders are not created.

Known issue. BUG wont create the directories. Apparently I need to do that with the installer.

[*]There is a typo in the Advanced Tactics option tooltip. It says "Adds new COmbat results..."

Fixed (rev 841).

[*]The tooltip of the Establish embassies option mentions espionage missions.

I decided to leave that in for now in case someone mods Espionage back in. I might remove it later.

[*]Shortcuts and Strategy Guides have no entries. Shortcuts should get the old page with small additions such as BUG or AIAutoPlay shortcuts. Strategy guides could be removed.

Strategy Guides section has been removed. Still cant seem to get Shortcuts to show up. I need to play around with it some more. I noticed last night that Items arent showing up in the Sevopedia at all, so I need to look into that also.

[*]The tech names are still appearing in the wrong place at the research advisor.

Darkling said:
I've also seen the problem with the display of names in the Tech tree. They were initially displayed normally but when I clicked on one, the positioning of the name got messed up as Terken had shown earlier.

FreeTacos said:
I have been looking at the tech screen, it appears that when you click on a tech, the code that adds the number of turns to the label, is also recalculating the location of the label and changing it.

Yep. It was related to selecting a tech on the tech screen. I had made each tech tab slightly wider to accommodate techs that had lots of icons but the width was hardcoded in more that one spot. Fixed (rev 840)

Terkhen said:
We spotted a bug with the new "capture siege equipment" feature. If the attacker is on a peak (for example, Abashi), the captured siege equipment will appear on the peak too.

Fixed (rev 842)

Darkling said:
There seems to be a bug with the Black Mirror (or equipment). Just had a stack of Svartalfar elves/tigers attack where they all had the black mirror promotion. I went into WB and had a quick look and it seems that this might be the only stack where that had happened.

Strange. I played around with the Black Mirror in all sorts of situations and couldn't get it to duplicate. Anyone have any idea how this is happening or have a save game from right before it happens?

FreeTacos said:
Stasis continues after the Illians are destroyed, I can't remember if this happened before.

But Stasis still goes away after X number of turns correct? If so, I would say it's by design. World Spells are powerful magic. Once started, there is no turning back.

MagisterCultuum said:
I'm thinking of releasing a new version of MagisterModmod based on More Naval AI. I have merged my latest version with it and for the most part it seems to be working fine, but BugGameUtils.py seems to be preventing anything in CvGameUtils.py from being read. I've come across threads explaining how functions in CvGameUtils.py that were not in the default BtS version of the file can cause problems, but I don't understand why it seems to work fine in your version and not in mine. I made some changes to the file, but they were fairly minor. I did not add or remove any of your functions, only merged in things that worked perfectly without BUG.

I had lots of issue with this as well. I ended up having to dump CvGameInterfaceFile.py and that seemed to fix things. Never did figure out what was going wrong.

Aline · Feb 15, 2012

Spoiler :

Should he realy be telling everyone about this?

Darkling · Feb 15, 2012

I has a save game close to the point when it was happening and played through a few turns again. It looks like a hidden nationality Alazkan is duplicating both himself and the mirror, then when the illusion ends the duplicated mirror is left behind.

Alazkan is around the Svaltfar city of Zbulob, their northern most city. In the first save there are two Alazkans and one worker in a square just north of the city. The next turn Alazkan has moved into the city and the worker now has the black mirror promotion.

I'm playing as Banor and thir empire is south of mine. I used the Erubus continent map script to generate the map.

Interestingly later on in the game one of the AIs actually asked me to make peace with a different AI. I don't think I've ever seen that happen before, in any version of the game I've played (including BTS and the BAT mod).

FreeTacos · Feb 15, 2012

No matter what I do, including random suicide combats to disrupt the random numbers, when OO is founded on turn 323, no matter where the zealot appears, the holy city is put in Innsmouth.

This is my second game with this setup, where I had extra cities and it founded in the capital, I am not normally that lucky so I tested it a bit from this save.

Bah humbug, shouldn't have bought all those lottery tickets today either! :cry:

I downloaded it on Sunday, the CRC-32 is 415BBB06 but I can't see where the build number is.

I also noticed that in diplo chat with someone following CoE, the CoE icon is next to their name. I thought no one was supposed to be able to see if you had CoE for a state religion?

Darkling · Feb 15, 2012

I see that when you establish a puppet state that they get the techs of the original owner and as a vassal they are quite happy to trade them away. Would it be better to either give them the tech s of the conqueror or to treat them as unable to trade those techs? Otherwise it seems like there is an option to pick up on some quite cheaply when the original civ won't trade them. It might just be a bonus for the warmongers...

Also I see that great generals can't be combined with disciple units. Is this intentional?

[Edit] My hidden nationality shadow just captured a catapult. I may be misremembering things but I thought hidden nationality couldn't capture?

MagisterCultuum · Feb 15, 2012

Spoiler :

Edit: I managed to fix everything but the "BugInit - init 'UnitUtil' failed" error on my own, and it doesn't seem to be causing problems.

Tholal · Feb 16, 2012

Darkling said:
It looks like a hidden nationality Alazkan is duplicating both himself and the mirror, then when the illusion ends the duplicated mirror is left behind.

That's the info I was looking for! Fixed (rev 843). Thanks!

Interestingly later on in the game one of the AIs actually asked me to make peace with a different AI. I don't think I've ever seen that happen before, in any version of the game I've played (including BTS and the BAT mod).

Think that code came with Advanced Diplomacy.

Tholal · Feb 16, 2012

FreeTacos said:
No matter what I do, including random suicide combats to disrupt the random numbers, when OO is founded on turn 323, no matter where the zealot appears, the holy city is put in Innsmouth.

This is part of base FFH. If you found a religion that is your civ's favorite religion, it's founded in your capitol.

Aline said:
Should he realy be telling everyone about this?

I also noticed that in diplo chat with someone following CoE, the CoE icon is next to their name. I thought no one was supposed to be able to see if you had CoE for a state religion?

CoE is kind of a weird religion. It's supposed to be a secret, but gameplay mechanics just don't support that idea. Though I could make it so that all references to your religion type are suppressed when following CoE, it would be purely aesthetic and not change gameplay at all, so I'm not sure that it's worth the trouble.

Darkling said:
I see that when you establish a puppet state that they get the techs of the original owner and as a vassal they are quite happy to trade them away.

Good catch. I'll have to work on that.

Also I see that great generals can't be combined with disciple units. Is this intentional?

Unintentional. Will be fixed.

My hidden nationality shadow just captured a catapult. I may be misremembering things but I thought hidden nationality couldn't capture?

Probably via the new War Prizes code. I'll fix it.

Edit: I managed to fix everything but the "BugInit - init 'UnitUtil' failed" error on my own, and it doesn't seem to be causing problems.

Glad that you were able to fix all those issues. I dont really know about the BUG error. I never found their error messages very useful. Maybe dig around in the BUG subforum for clues.

FreeTacos · Feb 16, 2012

Tholal said:
This is part of base FFH. If you found a religion that is your civ's favorite religion, it's founded in your capitol.

Weird, been playing FFH2 for quite a while, and never noticed this behavior before I updated on Sunday the 12th. Not unwelcome! Possibly you fixed something that no one knew was broken :goodjob:

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