Mod Project: Crossroads of Civilisation

[Tunch Khan]

Parthia and Persia? I thought they were quite the same thing in different time periods.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Similar yet different. Out of all of the civs, Parthia and Bactria were the toss ups - do I go for Kushan or Kashmir or Bactria; Khwarazm or Sacae or Parthia; etc. At the end of the day, since no one really gave much preference as to who was or was not included, I just went for geographical balance.

 

[Tunch Khan]

But both Parthia and Persia occupy the exact same geography. Their names are the variant of the same word. They are the same people, same language, same culture, same civilization. Khwarazm would have been a more flavory choice, but then I know you have limitations on religions. There are also some other "interesting" civs in your list that didn't co-exist at the same timescale. For instance; Russia didn't emerge as a civilization until a millenia after some other civs in your final list had completely disappeared.

As much as I like the idea and general structure of your mod, I'd like to see it's feet on the ground.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

I'm spreading it through the ages, much like a normal game of civ

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Three more civs done. These don't have colours yet:

Bactria:

Leader: Roxana
Traits: Organised and Philosophical
Leader: Menander I
Traits: Financial and Spiritual
UU: Traforichus
Colour:
Symbol: Macedonian Lion

Cities:
Bactra
Maracanda
Aorrus
Peucelaotis
Oreschata
Aornus
Nisa
Propthasia
Areia
Ai Khanum
Nysa
Sagala
Bucephalia
Rhambacia
Alexandria Opiana
Kapisa
Pactra
Dilberjin
Pendjikent
Kuva
Misarna
Tilla-Tepe
Cyrta
Alexandria Ootch
Ajina-Tepe
Charsadda
Chusnar
Draspaca
Cocala
Shahr
Alexandria Sogdiana
Morontbara
Udshein
Indrapastha
Bolan
Rambada



Parthia:

Leader: Arsaces I
Traits: Aggressive and Industrious
Leader: Mithridates II
Traits: Creative and Philosophical
UU: Niceæn Archer (the infamous Light Cavalry)
Colour:
Symbol: Archer

Cities:
Hecatompylos
Ctesiphon
Nisa
Syrinx
Tambrax
Zadracarta
Susia
Vologesius
Tranxiana
Arsak
Phraata
Mithradatkart
Dara
Hatra
Edessa
Apamea
Epardus
Abarshahr
Nisaia
Nehardea
Asaak
Zenodotium
Charax Spasinou
Saramana
Labus
Agra
Zuegma
Apologos
Ivanikarkh
Ashur
Seleucia
Nahr Tire
Andiokh
Bahram
Opis
Harran
Shapur
Adhur




Persia:

Leader: Cyrus II
Traits: Creative and Spiritual
Leader: Darius I
Traits: Creative and Industrious
UU: Immortal
Colour:
Symbol: Scimitar

Cities:
Persepolis
Pasargadæ
Susa
Ecbatana
Babylon
Sardis
Daskyleion
Gordium
Anshan
Carmana
Tegæ
Harmozia
Hisanlu
Thapsacus
Artacoana
Memphis
Tabæ
Sais
Pura
Rhambaceia
Salamoes
Thebes
Nihavand
Iconium
Palmyra
Sidon
Byblos
Gogana
Miletus
Ipsus
Tarsus
Pelusium
Termessus

 

[Tmloyd]

You could simply leave the Koreans as a Barbarian minor civ. The Korean peninsula was mostly an area that was conquered by other civilizations throughout history: the Chinese, the Mongols, the Japanese. Leaving it in as an area rich in resources and tough to conquer (but not playable) would probably be the wisest move.

 

[nebuchadnezzar]

for gok-turk uu: Ordu Archer? That name was used in a civ3 scenario I believe. Replacing chariot unit. This unit should show some power of organization, but how?

seljuk turks:
leader: Malek Shah
traits: spiritual and organized
leader: Alp Arslan
traits: spiritual and aggressive
uu: -to be named later- horse archer
color: greenish-blue, the color of persia in civ3
symbol: white bow and arrow on a black double-headed eagle, all on blue base

-i don't know the exact cities but some suggestions-
Rey (capital)
Isfehan
Hemadan
Bukhara
Tashkent
Khiva
Tabriz
Manzikert (?)
.
.
.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

You could simply leave the Koreans as a Barbarian minor civ. The Korean peninsula was mostly an area that was conquered by other civilizations throughout history: the Chinese, the Mongols, the Japanese. Leaving it in as an area rich in resources and tough to conquer (but not playable) would probably be the wisest move.

We'll see if Korea gets on the map in the first place though If it appears, I'll do as you suggest

for gok-turk uu: Ordu Archer? That name was used in a civ3 scenario I believe. Replacing chariot unit. This unit should show some power of organization, but how?

seljuk turks:
leader: Malek Shah
traits: spiritual and organized
leader: Alp Arslan
traits: spiritual and aggressive
uu: -to be named later- horse archer
color: greenish-blue, the color of persia in civ3
symbol: white bow and arrow on a black double-headed eagle, all on blue base

-i don't know the exact cities but some suggestions-
Rey (capital)
Isfehan
Hemadan
Bukhara
Tashkent
Khiva
Tabriz
Manzikert (?)

Ordu is simply "horde". It doesn't make sense as a name.

Do you have a picture of the symbol? And that is a good city list to begin with Anyway, I was doing some toying with leader traits to avoid having doubles or anything. This is what I got:

Aggressive | Creative | Expansionistic | Financial | Industrious | Organised | Philosopical | Spiritual

Arabia al-Mamun EP Harun al-Rashid AP
Bactria Menander FS Roxana OP
China Liu Bang OP Wu Zetian IO
Gök Turks AO IP
Kazakhstan Kasym Khan CO Shigai Khan AC
Manchuria Nurhaci EO Kangxi FI
Mongolia Genghis Khan EO Altan Khan ES
Mughalistan Babur AF Akbar EI
Nepal Prithvi Narayan Shah EF Jang Bahadur AO
Parthia Arsaces AI Mithridates CP
Persia Cyrus II CS Darius I CI
Russia Catherine II EF Ivan IV AE
Scythia Idymanthrus FO Tomyris ES
Seljuq Turks Toghril Beg AS Malik Shah I OS
Tibet Songtsen Gampo PS Lozang Gyatso OS
Uighuria Kutlugh Bilge Khagan CF Kul Bilge Tangri Khan FP
Yunnan (Dali) Cuan Chen CE Pileguo IS

There are 36 leaders, and 32 possible combinations of traits. Every combo appears at least once

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Five more civs:

Seljuq Turks:

Leader: Toghril Beg
Traits: Aggressive and Financial
Leader: Malik Shah I
Traits: Organised and Spiritual
UU: **** (name needed - Horse Archer)
Colour: Cyan
Symbol: White Bow and Arrow on Black Two-Headed Eagle

Cities:
Reyy
Isfahan
Hamadan
Bukhara
Tasjkent
Nishapur
Kerman
Dandanaqan
Pasinler
Khiva
Mashhad
Tabriz
Malatya
Sivas
Sebzewar
Erzerum
Samsun
Herat
Konya
Iznik
Ghur
Gyumri
Icel
Amida
Urgenj
Kermanshah
Kashan
Brusa
Keyseri
Manzikert



Scythia:

Leader: Tomyris
Traits: Expansionistic and Spiritual
Leader: Idymanthrus
Traits: Financial and Organised
UU: Scythian Archer
Colour:
Symbol: Golden Horse (or Golden Horse Head)

Cities:
Tanais
Tyras
Oblia
Choresmia
Chersonesus
Tomi
Pityus
Dioscurias
Cyreschate
Nautaca
Margos
Panticipæum
Anan
Gelonus
Lobia
Susia
Istrus
Siraca
Apaskia
Oyrta
Apollonia
Phasis
Ophiusa
Abydos
Phanagoria
Æa
Arius
Taocha
Odessus
Mtsheka
Poiana
Sala
Toreta
Salinæ
Artacana
Phra
Nicæa
Isatis



Arabia:

Leader: al-Mamun
Traits: Expansionistic and Philosophical
Leader: Harun al-Rashid
Traits: Aggressive and Philosophical
UU:
Colour:
Symbol: Cresent Moon (I'm full aware it is specifically a Turkish symbol)

Cities:
Baghdad
Damascus
Mecca
Medina
Basra
Mosul
Irbil
Cairo
Jerusalem
Aleppo
Karbala
Kirkuk
Jiddah
Hims
Abadan
Latakia
Muscat
Halab
Najaf
Hamath
Fez
al Aqaba
Sharjah
Hilah
Amman
Abu Dhabi
Doha
Aden
Dubai
Sanaa
Nasiriyah
Hufuf
Haifa
Irbid
Nusaybin
Tabuk
Riyadh



Kazakhstan:

Leader: Kasym Khan
Traits: Creative and Organised
Leader: Shigai Khan
Traits: Aggressive and Creative
UU: Kazakh Cavalry
Colour: Dark Cyan (or White)
Symbol: Gold Desert Eagle

Cities:
Aqmola
Almaty
Dzhambul
Aqtobe
Semey
Petropavl
Chimkent
Turkestan
Pavlodar
Qaraghandy
Oral
Qyzyl-Orda
Kokshetau
Balkhash
Esil
Oostanay
Atyrau
Taldyqorghan
Zhangatas
Saryshaghan
Ayagoz
Embi
Aqsay
Ekibastuz
Zaysan
Temirtau
Qapshaghay
Zhezqazghan
Aqtau
Rudnyy
Petropavl
Astana
Panfilov
Lepsi
Beyneu
Shu
Orsk
Maqat
Aral
Atbasar



Russia:

Leader: Ivan IV
Traits: Aggressive and Expansionistic
Leader: Catherine
Traits: Expansionistic and Financial
UU: Cossack
Colour:
Symbol: Civ 4 Russian Flag

Cities:
Kiev
Moscow
Novgorod
Vladimir
St Petersburg
Pskov
Tver
Polotsk
Yaroslavl
Pereyaslavl
Murom
Gorodno
Suzdal
Smolensk
Minsk
Iskorosten
Nizhny Novgorod
Lutsk
Beloozero
Chernikov
Dryutesk
Izyaslavl
Bryansk
Yuryev
Turov
Vitebsk
Novgorodok
Dmitrov
Kursk
Uglich
Pinsk
Gorodets-Radilov
Yelets
Starodub
Gersik
Slutsk
Odessa
Archangelsk
Vladisvostok
Murmansk

 

[nebuchadnezzar]

I have found the Seljuk flag on a Turkish flag manufacturer's site:

http://www.alsancakbayrak.com.tr/bayraklar.htm

Assuming you don't know Turkish, they have put the English translations of some titles. Go for "Historical Turkish States" and pick "Büyük Selçuklu İmparatorluğu".

You can see some other flags there, that you will use.
Uighurs, "Uygur Devleti"
Gök Türks, "Göktürk Devleti"
Mughalistan, "Babür İmparatorluğu"

All these states are accepted as Turkish States by the officials.

Hope to be helpful.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

It is very useful. Thanks

This mod is not being worked on at the moment though. I'm waiting to see if the mod is going to be practical to make or not, and I'm not sure when Firaxis will be releasing the relevant information. I don't think I have the ability to actually make this mod though. I've been lurking through the C&C forum, and after looking through all that coding I released how difficult it is going to be to do even the simplest things.