Good point. I guess it was just so over the top what he was saying, I had to jump in there. Maybe you have one resource, that if you actually use it, and you have christian religion, then you lose the garden of eden. The apple of knowledge. haha. Well, I am still hunting for 2.01 or 2.02 before I try again. I have had several bad attempts at playing The Mediteranean mod as romans, and so I was probably just a little frustrated. I also felt the need to finally install "Pax Romana" and old dreamcatcher game I had. I didn't realize it came with spyware, and for whateer reason when I rebooted (it insists), norton found a trojan buried in my total realism folder (which could have come from anywhere, but I the only actual programs I downloaded were the TAM mod 1.9 and installed Pax Romana). windows also felt the need to do a check disk on reboot. so I think that is a bad sign. It also installed Starforce which for some reason norton doesn't see as a virus. I haven't actually played the game, I've spent the last hour defragging and running virus scans and backing up my hard drive.