Monarch Student XI Sury

[mjg5591]

Hey mgj5591 could you also post the file in a normal .zip file or .rar file?

thank you!

Here you go lsgag, let me know if any problems.

 

[BigTime]

Monarch/epic to 600 BC where I've reached a critical decision which I need help with!

Spoiler :

I settled in place. With decent food, and grassland all around I cottage it. I met Kublai from my south and Qin from a galley. I teched alphabet and used it to trade for IW. I see this:

and its my ONLY source of iron The question is, do I settle a terrible city just for the iron, or rely on my copper? I have a settler on the way down south, so I think I would beat Kublai there. Is it worth it?

Empire atm (4 cities with a settler on the way)

Edit: Nvm... see why in spoiler...

Spoiler :

Kublai settled a city there next turn....

 

[CivilizedTiger]

Monarch, marathon, till 970 BCE

Spoiler :

In the beginning, I teched AH, then agriculture, then fishing, then BW. I think fishing should have waited here, because of the number of forests around.

I started directly with training a worker, and I think this was one of those cases where it's not such a good idea: I still had to wait turns for AH after the worker was already out, so I had to build a mine half-way, then build the pasture, then complete the mine. (and with this, I lost a move because I stopped the mine one move too early ) I also had to wait for a few turns before being able to build the farm on the rice, so all in all, I think training a warrior, at least partly, would have been a lot better this time, and I hope I keep this in mind. Wasted worker turns could have very well been turns to faster expansion, thanks to earlier militarization.

Well... that was that. After training the worker, cap started on a warrior, then another and then a settler, which founded the city south of capital, on plains hills, claiming the horsies. I missed out on the clams, thanks to not exploring, but I like this set up as well.

Later I teched the wheel, to connect the horsies, then sailing, to connect the city I was going to found in the east for copper, then writing for faster tech, then pottery (yeah, I know the order could have been reversed for discount, and I want to ask which order was best - I didn't yet have good enough reason to want cottages, and I thought that slightly faster tech rate for the basics would be good). After these I teched alphabet, painfully slow, after which I traded for archery, mysticism and iron working. No iron in my lands or close, sadly.

I founded 6 cities I like, then Qin settled 1E of another place I was planning on settling 10-20 turns later. I hope I manage to culture crush it, but... no matter how it goes, I am stuck with only 6 good cities for quite a while.

I'm currently taking currency, then planning on getting code of laws, then maths, construction and calendar. (I might need to fend of Kublai, and having some catapults might be good against attacking stacks, and if not, perhaps I'll attack him later, I don't think he's the kind of leader you can truly be friends with)

 

[hexem3117]

Is the OP gonna play his own game

 

[mjg5591]

Is the OP gonna play his own game

I might play. I know alot about map, as it was my first time doing a WB save. I also would like to try and help people who are playing thier games. But I guess I could do both.

EDIT: Actually I'll play some now. Was going to try and play my Pacal game, but that can wait for tomorrow.

 

[BigTime]

To liberalism

Spoiler :

Peaceful teching ftw! Thats really all it was.

First this annoying event:

Fortunately, barbs are stupid, stupid, stupid, and didn't attack my city where they would have won. Whipped axes easily took care of them.

I settled my final three cities, and played diplo to stay out of wars while I was doing this. Two AIs having bureau as their favorite civic made diplo very easy. Kublai and his colony Sillyman are Chrisitan, while Cyrus and Qin are buddhist. I stayed NSR to avoid diplo penalties with any of them.
Took Astro from lib for inter-continental trade routes when I meet the other AIs and for possible warring.

Lib:

Current empire south:

and north:

Bureau capital with no Oxford (producing about half of my research):

With diplo this easy, I will probably take the easy way out and beeline MM and win UN, unless AIs on other continent are really hard to befriend. If that happens, I don't know.

 

[BigTime]

Monarch/epic to 1738 UN win

Spoiler :

Went with my plan from last time. After meeting the other continent and seeing Bismark as a powerhouse, I decided to go for diplo. It would be me vs. Bis. Unfortunately, stupid AIs spam colonies like crazy, making me have to play a pretty tough diplo game. Cyrus, Qin, and Kublai were easy peasy, but their colonies were a little harder. Lincoln I gifted Demo for emancipation bonus, and trade relations + fav civic + OB was enough. Sueliman wasn't too hard b/c I just voted for him in the AP. The key vote was Mansa. I have to gift him techs for bonuses when he was not one of my friend's worst enemy. With that, I ran his fav. civic and that was enough. Funnily, I had a random event which gave me -1 with him after the vote, where he wouldn't have voted for me .

Qin:

and colony Lincoln

Cyrus:

Kublai

and colony Sueliman

and finally the wild card, Mansa:

Graphs:

Demos:

Builds:

and Finally, the not-so-great score:

The map isn't that hard, but colonies are just plain annoying. But, it helped me improve my diplo game, and this was probably my best diplo effort ever. Fun map. I think I'll crank it up to emperor next time.

Thanks for hosting Mike! Nice first series post!

 

[GrayInvisible]

I'm barely able to play prince, but I might as well challenge myself here. I figure the challenge will help me improve my civ skills.

Monarch/epic 575 BC

Spoiler :

I started the game by settling in place, and going for bronze working. I settled my first 3 cities quickly, so I could maximize the gain from the cities by getting to them earlier. I have copper, horses, and a variety of food resources.

Kublai is to my south, so I'm hemmed in. I don't want to over-expand however, so I may wait to kill him

All in all, a very uneventful first 100 turns. Things will get more exciting in the next 1000 years however

 

[Sawney Bean]

Monarch Epic - 40 AD

Spoiler :

Settle in Place - 8 cities settled in total - I've met Kublai (con), Cyrus (hin) ad Qin (hin).

Tech: AH, Ag (hut), Fish, BW, Wh Sail, Mas, Wri, Alpha, Math, Cal, Poly, Priest, CoL, Cur

Traded for Mon & IW

Great Wonder built:

Religion Founded:


After I had settled my blocking cities, Kublai went into Wheoohrn and eventually dowed in 215BC. I smacked his two stacks quite easily (gotta love the shock event) and gained a GG which I used to create a w3 medic axe to unlock the HE. Kublai gave me Med & Archery for peace. We have now both adopted confuc.

I have a city on Qin's continent to claim the marble. He seems to be teching slowlly and wonder whoring. There may be an opening for a cat war with him


Empire

 

[mjg5591]

To 100AD, Emperor/Epic. Wow I prolly could have given us atleast phants.

Spoiler :

Settled in place 58gold from hut. Worker >War>settler start.

Tech order AG>AH>BW>Fish>Sail>mason>TW>Pottery>Writing>Alpha>Currency>Col(current)Heading to CS next.

3800BC Map from hut.

3750BC Meet KK.

2450BC Settle Hariharalaya.

1975BC Settle Angkor Thom.

1375BC Meet Qin.

1050BC GLH in capital.

900BC Settle Angkor Wat.

440BC Settle Nagara Jayasri.

215BC Meet Cyrus.

200BC Trade Alpha to KK for IW and myst. Prolly should have went aest. AS Qin and Cyrus had alpha.

140BC GS pops Academy in Capital.

125BC Settle Rajavihara.

25AD Settle Isvarapura.

85AD Trade Currency to KK for monarchy. Need the happiness badly. Switch to HR. Also trade currency to Cyrus for math and 70 gold. Qin doesn't have anything to trade yet.

Stopped here. Wow tough map so far. See why others went Diplo. I have 7cities room for maybe 1 or 2 more. I could have given us phants close. For our UU and early happy. But I am still learning and this was my first map.

GLH is keeping me afloat. Prolly beeline Lib and take astro. Find others for TR. Or to find some more land to settle. Don't see much production for war. Maybe draft musket or rifle war. Thought about trying to get to steel and musket cannon war KK, but I have no Iron.

Wonders going fast on this map. I only got GLH, but it weas a big wonder here.

Screenshots, Help and advice welcome.

 

[Sawney Bean]

Monarch Epic - Lib (1000AD)

Spoiler :

Stayed peaceful. 2 additional cities settled (10 cities in total )

Great Wonders built: GLib and Parthenon.

Religion Founded: Taoism

Taking Astro from Lib and about to start researching Nat to change civics in a Taj GA.



I've met all the other civs and am at friendly with all except Mansa and Alex who are at war with each other. A UN victory seems to be on the cards.

 

[lymond]

Monarch/Epic to 1000AD or therebouts

I have to agree that this is an odd map

Spoiler :

Just some general updates and points

- Really not liking the map that much. Hard to expand early and no iron or ivory. Not ideal for this leader.

-Qin is wonder whoring like a madman. I swear he had the GW in like the first few turns of the game. I know he has stone. I really would have liked to have attacked him, but sort of difficult with what I have

- I didn't get ivory until Astro and a trade with Mansa. Built a couple of UUs but they were basically useless at this point

- INTERESTING thing happened. I did settle over near the copper north of Kubla. I wanted to settle further south near the dyes/fish or horse/rice. However, both Kuble and Qin beat me to those spots. I had 3 chariots scouting those spots though. All of a sudden - after a turn - an annoucement that Kubla's dye/fish city was captured by barbarians. It's surprising enough that there was even enough FOG in that area to spawn a barb. Even more surprising was that i was the rarely seen barb Horse Archer. I rarely see those - maybe it's a Mongol thing because of their techs/UU. Anyway, the barb HA was very weakened at this point so I sent over my chariots to capture the city. Turned out to be a city. I've fortified it heavily for fear of Kubla.

-So far no wars

- Something very common has happened in a lot of my games recently. Relgions are just not spreading to me. Kubla spread Conf, but I really wanted Bud to align with Cyrus and Qin. I was first to Lib though and now running Free Religion. I never adopted a religion in the game

- This may end up being a diplo win

- I probably should attack Alex. Biz and Mansa were at war with him when I discovered them.

- Settled island to the south and FINALLY have iron

- First time in a while that I've run Caste System for a while. Really the only way to keep up with tech with the lack of cities.. Running lots of specialists in CAP and the city I settled near Qin with 3 fish. My culture eventually grabbed the marble allowing me to get the Taj.

- Qin is probably the biggest problem I perceive. Even though he's at please, I expect him to eventually attack my lone city. He's also the closest to me in techs.

- Despite my not liking the setup, for some reason I want to keep on playing this one.

 

[mjg5591]

@ GrayInvisable

Spoiler :

Checked your game so far as I am past that date. I would get a WB out exploring. Might meet some other civs and help with TR for economy.

Also this doesn't seem to be an easy map. Not many happy resources and we get boxed in. Try and cut KK off and seal some land to settle later. I think monarchy is big tech on this map to get the happy cap up, unless can make some resource trades.

Still looking pretty good to this point. Good luck.

@Bigtime

Nice win. I'll check game out after I'm done mine. Map doesn't look friendly at all. I'm hoping I can post a win, but we shall see.

 

[BigTime]

@ Mike

Eh, it was just diplo manipulation. The map has some nice challenges though, such as the lack of happy resources and the mess on the other continent.

 

[GrayInvisible]

@ GrayInvisable

Spoiler :

Checked your game so far as I am past that date. I would get a WB out exploring. Might meet some other civs and help with TR for economy.

Also this doesn't seem to be an easy map. Not many happy resources and we get boxed in. Try and cut KK off and seal some land to settle later. I think monarchy is big tech on this map to get the happy cap up, unless can make some resource trades.

Still looking pretty good to this point. Good luck.

.

Spoiler :

Yeah I had a workboat checking out Qin's continent, and now I'm sending it to find new lands. I already met two new civs which helped my tech situation. I'm gonna play more soon and post another update

 

[Sawney Bean]

Monarch Epic - 1736 UN Victory

Spoiler :

Beelined Rifling and Steel whilst massing trebs. Kublai refused to trade his spare Iron, despite being friendly, so I killed Mansa with rifles and trebs.

Upgraded trebs to cannons and proceeded to Kill off Alex. Beelined MM to unlock UN.

Bribed Bismarck to dow Qin to secure the latter's vote. Converted to Hinduism to secure votes of Cyrus and Sal.







@ mjg5591
Thanks for hosting. It was a map type that I hadn't played before, and proved to be an interesting game. I'm looking forward to the next one in the series

 

[Nothingontv]

Monarch-normal

I don’t think I have played this map type before, maybe once in the beginning to try it out. Elephants are not my favourite unit and so I hardly ever build them but I always try to use the UU of the civ I’m playing just to try them so maybe I will like them after this game. 

Spoiler :

Settle in place and send scout north. I start on worker-warrior-worker-settler-worker-warrior-warrior.
I meet Kublai in 3640 bc, he seems to be too far for a rush so I plan to settle as close to him as I can and hopefully block him.

After I get BW I notice copper to the west and decide to settle my second city there. There also seems to be land to the north, maybe I should try and settle there since there won’t be room for more then 6 or 7 cities on this continent/island (unless I get rid of Kublai offcourse ).

1920 BC and I meet Qin’s workboat coming from the north. Guess I need to settle there fast but I don’t want to give Kublai much room to expand so I wait for the moment.

In 1600 BC I settle my 3rd city to block Kublai.

In 925 BC I finish the GLH, I hardly ever build it but I’m hoping it’s useful on this maptype.

475 BC meet Cyrus, don’t see his unit anywhere but he is the founder of Buddhism so I guess he’s up north since Qin converted not long ago.

I start on the Moai Statues in my capital. In 175 BC I get a Great Merchant, didn’t realise you can get that from the GLH. Usually I have a GS by now, in fact I hardly ever get a GM and when I do I often use them for a Golden Age.
Any advice how I should use him? I’m thinking of settling him but I’m not sure in which city, I can also bulb Metal Casting but am not sure if that is worth it.

Qin is going to settle here so i guess i'm too late.

Room for one more city.

I don't really have a plan on how to continue from here, i don't have room to expand but i guess neither do the others.

edit: Tech path was AG-(masonery from a hut)-AH-BW-Wheel-Fishing-Sailing-Pottery-Writing-Aesth-part of Alphabet. After this I traded for rest of alphabet, IW, Math. I trade Kublai for wine so I can grow a size until I get my own wine.

 

[mjg5591]

Played til the end, 1768AD UN win.

Spoiler :

What a strange map.

355AD Bulb Philo get religion.

900AD Bulb most of Lib.

1070AD Finally take Lib and take astro as free tech.

1100AD OU in capital.

1270AD Meet Mansa.

1275AD Meet Alex and Bismark.

1360AD GM pops and I trade route it to Beijing. 3450gold.

1734AD Rush but UN.

1768AD Finallt win Diplo.

After Lib I beelined Cavalry. I could have gone to war with Qin and KK at this point. Cav vs LB's. But they were both +15 and +19 with me with no religion. Cyrus was friendly also. So I easily got MM to friendly with FM and gifting techs and resources easily. So I decided to beeline MassMedia.

1734AD I rush buy UN. I go up against Bismark in election. I guess in the 5 or so turns between election and vote cyrus took over pop. Then the vote for Diplo changed to Cyrus. MM went FR also. Also at some point Qin colonies Sal. And KK colonies Mehmed.

I then start trying to get MM to friendly and the spawned vassals there. Wasn't hard but just took so manipulation of civ swaps and such. I got lucky as MM asked for Bio which I gave for diplo and it boost him to friendly. Next vote got lucky. Sal was pleased at +9 and he voted for me which gave me the win by only 5 votes. I was sending spies to sal to revolt him to Theocracy.

Some SS.

Was a tough map. I prolly could have taken Qin and KK out with Cav. I was in tech lead til I shut down research to save up to Rush buy UN.

 

[BigTime]

@ Mike

We played the exact same game!

Spoiler :

Nice win. Mansa actually managed to do well in your game with Alex next to him
Alex probably DOWed him on like turn 50 in my game and just suffocated him. Bismark was a powerhouse in my game. You beat me by 5000 pts

Stoopid emperor bonuses.

Nah just playin. Nice job.

 

[mjg5591]

@sawny

Spoiler :

Nice win. Alex was a vassal of Bismark in my game til the very end when he broke free. Nicely done taking him and MM out. Was a tough map for the revival of the series though. Next game will be Washington, on continents I think. I will also make sure we have some early happy.

@nothingontv

Spoiler :

Nice going getting the GLH, I used it to fuel research almost all game. At the end I didn't have corporation yet. I would have put 2 blockers for KK both on coast for the GLH TR abuse.

As for the GM. I'm not good on the calcualtions like other on forums. But I would settle or run a Trade Mission to the city wtih ToA in it. Thats if your able to. Trade misssion will let you deficit research for awhile.

@lymond

Spoiler :

Yeah it was a weird map. I didn't do anything to map,but I should have given us ivory for our UU. Or atleast iron.

Qin wonder whored in my game aswell. Seems he built every early and midgame wonder except GLH which I got.

Keeping pressing on like to see you win.

@Bigtime

Spoiler :

Yeah when I met alex/bismark/mansa. Mansa had 9 cities. Alex was vassal to bismark. Bismark was score leader in my game whole way til last turn or two when Alex broke free.

Was fun posting the game. Next game will be washington, I'll prolly put it up next week or so so people can finsih this game.