@Kaytie Spoiler : I already joined their wars against hanni (yes all of us declared him) and got diplomatic points from it. I am also giving 2 resources to Asoka for nothing for a while, techs and even tried gold and a city. Already had bonus points from favorable trade with him, and it is not getting any higher. I also tried defensive pact, but it gave no points at all. Is this normal? Too bad I miss an apostolic win just by a couple of points... I think I might have to declare on someone and get some extra population. Problem is, we are all allies with the same religion (100% Hinduism apart from hannibal, Asoka did a great job spreading it!) so the world might turn against me if I attack any of them. Oh well... I might just go back to pursuing a culture win then.