Monarch Victory!

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itsnotmeee

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WOoHoo!!! Won my first Monarch game with Wang Kan or something like that. An unexpected victory condition(diplomatic), while I was aiming for Domination/Spacerace. Just need a few more wins so i can move up to Emperor lol
 
automator said:
Whee!

I hope to someday survive into the Middle Ages in Monarch someday.
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Heh, don't worry! You will! You just need to wisely tech-trade with the AI's and always look to take out your next door neighbor.

my only problem is usually in the early game, where my economy is trembling. once i wipe out my first victim off the map, my economy will start to stabilize. its not a guaranteed win after that, but it feels better than the Ancient Era.
 
I'm sorry to say itsnotmeee that I agree with Khanate on this one.

If you were to provide some insight into; how you could chase multiple victory conditions as viable options, or what you did this time around that differed from your earlier games so others could learn from your experience or contribute to fine-tuning your skills further, then I'd feel as though you'd offered something to the forum.

Personally, if I was a moderator here I would lock or delete this thread in its current format.

Congratulations on your win however.
 
Cam_H said:
I'm sorry to say itsnotmeee that I agree with Khanate on this one.

If you were to provide some insight into; how you could chase multiple victory conditions as viable options, or what you did this time around that differed from your earlier games so others could learn from your experience or contribute to fine-tuning your skills further, then I'd feel as though you'd offered something to the forum.

Personally, if I was a moderator here I would lock or delete this thread in its current format.

Congratulations on your win however.
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Well, if you guys really want a strategy I've used in that game, I can't give you one because I'm not a good strategy provider :blush:. But I can give you a walkthrough on that game. Please feel free to ignore this post completely, especially if you don't want to waste your precious time reading this post:p

I started off on a big island consisting of 4 civs, including myself. Monty was to my east and northeast, while Mansa was to the far east. Peter was also to the east and southeast of me. To say it in short, Peter and Monty were my 2 closest neighbors.

There was no copper nearby. In fact, there was only one source of copper on this whole continent and it was to the far east. There was a source of horse within my capital's fat cross. I built a few chariots just to defend my cities from barbs. I waited until i researched BW, and luckily, iron appeared near my 4th city(this city turned out to be a useful science city), to the very south of my capital. Once I got some swordsmen and axemen, with a few chariots I've built before I hooked up iron, I attacked Monty, pushing toward his capital to the northeast. I razed most of his cities because either they were badly placed or i could not sustain the maintenance cost. I kept the capital and used it for a GP Farm.

There was marble nearby, so i was able to finish the Oracle and took Metal Casting as a free tech. I also built a Colossus in my city to the north of the capital(this city turned out to be my Heroic Epic City). Those were the only 2 world wonders i managed to built throughout the entire game. I tried to built some late game wonders, but I kept getting beat to them. Guess who it was! It was Huayna Capac on the lone continent to my northwest. I hate so really hate this guy. He hogged up all the wonders, and was a tech leader throughout the game, follewed by Hannabal, who was also on an isolated island. Frederick was also on an isolated island, and he was the most backward civilization(he was the key to winning the game though and I'll talk more about it later).

Once I researched Construction, I started building catapults to prepare for my next invasion. This time it was Mansa(Peter was way too powerful and at the time, he was pleased and even friendly with me). My troops traveled on the northen part of map and kept heading east. I captured most of Mansa's cities and when he was down to 3 cities I think, he finally vassalized to me. He turned out to be very useful. He was furious at me at first, but i managed to make him feel pleased towards me through trading, like giving him free resources(even ivory) and techs, gave in to his demand just to rack up all the + diplomacy points. Hey, afterall he's your vassal. You want to keep him up to date so that he could help you during the war. Through mutual military struggles and such, I finally made him to be pleased with me. He became my only tech trade partner, for I didn't have good diplomatic relationships with Hannibal and HC. Don't even mention Freddy:rolleyes: .

I can't give you the time period in which i started attacking Peter because I wasn't keeping record. My goal in this game was to win a Domination Victory. So, i felt an urge to wipe out anyone on my continent, except Mansa(don't ask me why. It just happened). Peter was on top of the Power graph when I started attacking him. I felt pretty confident with my Stack Of Doom, consisting of grenadiers, some left-over war elephants, a number of siege(I love these things!), and my medic 3 knight. I had some trouble with Peter's UU, the Cossacks. It was murderous to fight against these mounted units: 15 base strength and possess an innate 50% vs. Mounted units bonus. So, my cavalry was no match for them. Grenadiers couldn't do much either, but I was able to pull it off and eventually got Riflemen to aid in the war effort. I kept pushing east. It was a long-lasting war. I suffered a huge war weariness, but I was determined to finish it. I tried to make peace with him a few times, but him wouldn't let loose those techs he had. So, I thought it was no point in making peach. Hence, I kept attacking his cities, one to the next with my SoD and reinforcements. I had to raised my culture bar to 20% to keep my citizens entertained.

During my war with Peter, HC declared was on me. I was so worried because his territory was so close to mine. Thanks to my coastal HE city, i pumped out some frigates at a pretty quick pace and used them to guard my coast. HC didn't send much though, and I was able to fend off his fleet. Hannibal also joined in the battle against me, but he didn't send a single navy to my land. At one point, I was at war with 3 civ's and at one point, Freddy declared war on Peter and i racked up some mutual military struggle points from him. Ironically, HC was the one to declare war on me and was the one to give in. Being worried about war weariness and too many war fronts, I attemtped at make peace with HC and tried to see what i could get from the peace treaty. Funny enough, he gave me some lump sum and GPT :lol: . Hannibal wasn't so nice and I had to give him around 50 golds or so to make peace. It was worth it though because I wanted to just focus on one war. I finally took out Peter completely.

I ran a risk of having Mansa renouncing his vassal to me and declaring himself free. You have to keep his land or population size below 50% of that of your own or he'll become free. At one point, he was at 44%, but i kept pushing in on Peter and constantly captured his cities to maintain my ratio. Once I finished Peter, i decided to go after HC next for he was the closest to me and Hannibal was way too strong anyway. I wasn't sure if i could win a domination by claiming HC's whole continent. In fact, I though I wouldn't be able to win it. However, I thought I needed to take him out for he was being an ass for the entire game. He was also a threat to a spacerace. I sent 2 spies to explore his land and sabotaged his only oil resource, so that he couldn't build ships. I had to drop my research bar all the way down to 0 for a while to gain some 800-900 GPT to fund the sabotage operations. I tried to also destroyed his Apollo Program production. I had a spy in Hannibal's territory as well and checked all of his cities. I didn't see any Apollo Program being built, so I wasn't so worried about him. HC also completed the Manhattan Project, but I thought it was not going to be a threat. He had uranium in his land, but he didn't build any ICBM. Perhaps he didn't research Fission or is it because the IA didn't like to build the ICBM? I built a few ICBM of my own but didn't use any.

I was a bit behind him, tech-wise. He had Battleships, while i had Destroyers. But, because my Destroyers outnumbered his BS, I was able to annihilate those ships and he couldn't build anymore because the oil supply was cut off. Then I managed to bring my transporters in. Instead of directly to the landmass, I navigated my transports to the north and attacked his capital first. And so they fell, one by one. When I thought, I got it under control, Hannibal, once AGAIN, declared war on me:mad: . This time he brought 2 transports, escorted by Battleships, I think. Most of my destroyers were stationed to the north around the HE city and the capital. His fleet landed on my westcoast. With a couple of tanks, and some artillery siege weapons, and a few foot soldiers near my 2nd largest science city, I was worried. So, I sent some defenders from other cities to help defend that city. Thanks to railroad, my troops was able to get there in just a single turn. And thanks to the city garrison promotion trait of Wang Kon, my defenders repelled the invasion. I had to send some troops on the offense to help ward off the pillaging tanks.

So HC was down to his last 2 cities on the continent. He had another city on another island to the southwest and I planned to send a transport there to finish him off. I kept pumping out troops from my HE city and my Ironwork city, which also happened to be coastal). So, I managed to build destroyers quite fast and that's what I've been focusing on. On this type of situation(map), it's crucial to have sufficient number of navy force to fend off any incoming fleet. In my HE city, I settled a GG there and used another to build an academy, but that was after I used the prior GGs to build an academy in my Ironwork city. Later, I built a Red Cross in the HE, while having West Point built in the Ironwork city. With some food supply nearby, I used my workders to spam workshops around the city(ironwork city) to further enhance the :hammers: output and later, under State Property Civic, I switched all the remaining farms to workshops. I did the same to my HE city and another one of production city.

So, HC was down to a couple of cities, if I still remembered. The time was nearly 1900AD. I thought I couldn't win the game through Domination(kept checking the domination victory condition and see how much land I needed to win). So, I decided to build an Apollo Program in my Ironworks City. Took around 20 turns to complete. I didn't have 3 Gorges Dam because I got beat to it by HC(hate this guy so much. He's worse than Mansa.) Oh yea, Mansa was my only tech partner. I then tried to bribe Freddy to attack HC(don't know why him. Maybe I had too much tech to share with the backward Freddy:D) and Hannibal, especially to keep Hannibal busy. Hannibal was a lot bigger and stronger than Freddy, military-wise. Crazy enough, he agreed and declared war on both of them. Soon after, Hannibal finished building the United Nation. I won the Secretary General vote. Then on the next election, I decided to just go for Diplomatic Victory vote. I thought nobody could win it anyway, and so I didn't really care(I might have made a mistake there). The victory required 500+ votes of 700+, and I alone was responsible for over 300, Mansa, (my vassal had to vote for me:D ) was responsible for 100+ and Freddy another 100+. Feeling friendly toward me, he voted for me. To my surprise, I won the Diplomatic Victory!

Sidenotes: My capital was my major science city. I didn't run Bureaucracy for long because I built a Globe Theatre in my food rich city, Timbuktu, and didn't want to miss out on the benefit of "unlimited drafting." I said unlimited because the city was so rich in food(4 food resources and farms all over the place) so after each draft, the population grows back to its previous size the following turn. Thus, I switched to Nationalhood instead.

So that is all about the walkthrough of my game. I don't know how much you can learn from this, but i hope it helps :p. Besides, there's so many good strategies and walkthroughs in this forums. So, you can just use them and ignore this completely.

By the way, here's a save file if anyone wants to take a look. This is at 1829 AD, before Peter was eliminated. It's the only save file i have available. Pyongyang is a HE city and Djenne is an Ironworks city.
 
itsnotmee, that big post was good reading for players coming into the game. Good idea.

I think a lot of srats go over the head of players who are still learning the game mechanics (which takes a few months at least).
 
:agree: Yes, I can see a few pointers for many players (esp. those challenged by Noble and Prince levels) that are certainly worth noting;
  • In the early game, be prepared to raze cities in order to keep maintenance under control, and remove poorly placed cities.
  • Ensure that military-oriented technologies remain fairly high on the research agenda.
  • Be prepared to concede resources - even strategic resources - to fend off unfriendly AI tribes from the prospect of dogpiling on you.
  • Mansa makes a good vassal! Usually a technology leader and willing trader with the highest 'We fear you are becoming too advanced' limit of all.
  • Use mixed forces in Stacks of Doom.
  • Use spies for things other than delaying a rival's city's production.
  • Build a decent navy and be prepared to use it.
  • Look to combine National Wonders (e.g. Heroic City + Ironworks) for synergistic benefits, and add value to them where possible (e.g. Heroic City + Ironworks + Military Academy + Military Instructor).
  • Have a victory target in mind - even if in the end you succeed by another victory type!
Thanks again for your write-up.
 
Cam_H said:
:agree: Yes, I can see a few pointers for many players (esp. those challenged by Noble and Prince levels) that are certainly worth noting;
  • In the early game, be prepared to raze cities in order to keep maintenance under control, and remove poorly placed cities.
  • Ensure that military-oriented technologies remain fairly high on the research agenda.
  • Be prepared to concede resources - even strategic resources - to fend off unfriendly AI tribes from the prospect of dogpiling on you.
  • Mansa makes a good vassal! Usually a technology leader and willing trader with the highest 'We fear you are becoming too advanced' limit of all.
  • Use mixed forces in Stacks of Doom.
  • Use spies for things other than delaying a rival's city's production.
  • Build a decent navy and be prepared to use it.
  • Look to combine National Wonders (e.g. Heroic City + Ironworks) for synergistic benefits, and add value to them where possible (e.g. Heroic City + Ironworks + Military Academy + Military Instructor).
  • Have a victory target in mind - even if in the end you succeed by another victory type!
Thanks again for your write-up.
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Errr, it's YOUR write-up;)

I started a new game. This time I got to play Hatty of Egypt. Started off on continent with myself and Kublai on it. I took him out with my war chariots and axemen early and got the whole continent for myself. With my trembling economy, my first goal was to research Codes of Law for courthouses. The second highest priority was to try to get Optics as soon as possible, so i can get a couple of galeons to explore the world in order to meet other civ's and to be able to trade techs and resources with them. Unhappiness and unhealthiness became a pain, but thanks to Hereditary Rule, which i researched myself, i managed to keep my people happy. I used HR for almost an entire game, only switched to Univ Suff when i started building Apollo Program. Yes, space race victory is what I was aiming for with this start. I ended up winning the Circumnavigation race, which imo, isn't that important. I met all 5 remaining civs and did some tradings with them.

Roosevelt and Cyrus were my first trading partners, until Monty decided to start trading with me. Monty himself was a bully on his continent, tearing both Isabella and Stalin to pieces. After a couple of trading, he was no use anymore because he's behind. Roosevely was the tech leader, but soon he didn't want to trade with me because he "don't want to trade this technology just yet." He would never trade anything later on. I think he was keeping those techs for himself so that he could only be the most advanced. But I was doing fine on my own.

While aiming for spacerace victory, i never ignored my military. I kept building units after units. Notice in the save file below that i have so many frigates around my continent. That's because if by any chance, someone declares war on, I'll be ready to destroy any incoming fleet. Also, I wanted to keep my power rating high enough so that the AIs are not likely to declare war. Those land units served as happiness booster under HR. So, it's one stone killing two birds. I just got stronger and stronger economically, without neglecting my military. My science slider is at 90% without losing a lot of gold. Technologically, I'm not behind. I could bribe either Roosevelt or Monty to attack one another(most likely Monty because I don't want to give Roosevelt any tech seeing as he is already advanced), but I decided to wait until I start building the spaceship parts, so that I won't get any interruptions and I don't want the "You brought in a war ally against us" message too early.

Below is a save file of 1816AD. I'll post another save once I finish the game. Looks like I'm heading for another Monarch win!:D
 
Screenshots of beaker counts in 1824AD. First one is capital aka oxford city under Bureaucracy. Second is the capital under Free Speech. Both running at 100% science. Anyone know how to do screenshots in regular size?
 
Full spaceship operation ahead! The Americans are beating me to it, but i still have a chance.

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The pictures are a little unclear due to the clouds. Anyone knows how to get rid of it? Btw, thx Anita for the info!
 
I won my first immortal space race in Warlords today in 1797 (standard, fractal), which is fairly late, but there was lots of war. I was pretty puny and backward, but I beelined to computers, had aluminum, used a GS + GA for a Golden Age, managed to grab the space elevator with a GE, bribed the 2nd highest (and his two vassals) to attack the highest and his two vassals and managed to time SS Engine and SS Life Support to finish on the same turn with chopping and starving to run engineers.
 
How closer can it get?

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And while i was nervously building all the parts, Isabella achieved something at last, while being dogpiled by Monty the whole game:D .

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I bribed Monty to attack Roosevelt. Monty and his 2 vassals: Stalin and Issy declared on Roosevelt. Roosevelt had a DP with Cyrus and went to war together. Cyrus served as a buffer against any invasion. So, America was untouched. It didn't affect his spaceship constructions at all.

Roosevelt completed the United Nation. He was voted the secretary general. While I was running State Property civic, everyone voted for Environmentalism :mad: screwing my HE city, where it had nothing, but workshops around it. It's a good thing no one won the Diplomatic Victory as I was so worried.
 
America building ICBM:

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And then there's this:

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And finally:

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Not a great win, but still a win. :)
 
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