Monarchists' Cookbook I

OTAKUjbski · May 27, 2008

Round 5: 1200 AD - 1625 AD ... "The Beginning of the End"

Once again, I've changed my reporting format. :crazyeye:

Apparently, the AutoLog is ginormous and doesn't fit in a post (greater than 30,000 characters!)

So, I trimmed it down to the "important" stuff and attached the complete file to this post.

Also, all of my commentary is at the top now with no pictures. Screenshots are inserted where applicable into the AutoLog entries.

Spoiler :

OTAKUjbski · May 27, 2008

ROUND 6: 1625 AD - 1832 ... "The Golden Age"

Spoiler :

Solon70 · May 27, 2008

I wish I knew why I was unable to get SB to capitulate in my game. It took forever to capture all those cities.

Also, I've never gotten an AI and his vassal to capitulate at the same time, is there some trick I'm missing?

OTAKUjbski · May 27, 2008

Solon70 said:
I wish I knew why I was unable to get SB to capitulate in my game. It took forever to capture all those cities.

I've found only 2 "sure ways" to entice capitulation:

Conquer half of the civ's cities.
Capture the civ's capital 3 times. (uncertain)

EDIT: NOTE: I had captured 10 of Sitting Bull's 15 cities and his capital twice before he capitulated. (And as I recall, I had to capture just over half of every civ's cities before they each capitulated.)

Solon70 said:
Also, I've never gotten an AI and his vassal to capitulate at the same time, is there some trick I'm missing?

Have such a commanding military lead that you're able to field two attack forces thus destroying both of them at the same time.

Solon70 · May 27, 2008

If you raze most or all of what you capture, will that make capitulation less likely? By which I mean, do you have to "capture and hold" half the cities?

I also assume when you say "capture his capital 3 times," you mean 3 different cities.

Thanks for the response! I'm such a newbie at this game.

futurehermit · May 27, 2008

some leaders like Gandhi will capitulate easily. some like genghis you have to take them down to like one city and might as well just wipe them out. i'm sure there must be something in the xml on this.

Bleys · May 27, 2008

Solon70 said:
I wish I knew why I was unable to get SB to capitulate in my game. It took forever to capture all those cities.

Did you take out Sulie? Since SB was a vassal himself, he cant capitulate until you make him a free state.

Oddly enough, I never touched Sulie, SB, or Jaoa. I managed a Domination without having a land based war of any kind, heh.

Solon70 · May 27, 2008

Yeah, I took out the Ottomans first, because they only had one city. I really couldn't believe SB would never capitulate, I almost thought I had run into a bug of some sort.

If I had seen that coming, I never would have gone for a conquest win. It was soooo tedious.

OTAKUjbski · May 27, 2008

That's why I saved SB for last.

By that time, I had him corned on three fronts -- two of them by massive city-squashing SoD's.

futurehermit said:
... there must be something in the xml on this.

I'm sure it's some kind of algorithm based on the BasePeaceWeight, AggressionLevel and MakePeaceRand (maybe others too).

I'm guessing only Solver, Bhruic and a few of the other CvGameCoreDLL developers have a clue where to start looking for that.

Bleys · May 28, 2008

Well, trying to use my log is an exercise in frustration. I just do not have the patience, sorry. I will do the best I can to recall my game, though, it wasnt too complicated.

Forgive my hasty report here, as well. I really want to play, I have so many games half-done, and this one took forever to finish out.

Spoiler :

I started out switching to Music right away. I wanted the free GA for a 15 turn GA. I also started a few missionaries and settlers, as well as some military units, upgraded a couple Galleys, and whipped out the remaining Caravels to get the Harbormaster quest done. I took the +1 gold, though, a poor choice after seeing how powerful Nav I was for OTAK. Would have ended my game a LOT sooner, thats for sure.

I also planned to continue with rolo's idea of Steel off Lib. I also tried to get enough military over to the Big Island to take out the barb cities there. As I mentioned in my teaser, this ended up being a very strong move. Once I took Angle, and kept it, Louis DoWed on me the very next turn (he had a sole archer next to Angle). Little did he know I already had a pile of Galleons filled with Maces, and was just finishing up Chemistry. Within 10 turns or so, I upgraded a few Caravels to Frigates, and sent them over to bombard, while my Galleons rolled over to Paris. I took Paris with ease, and when moved my attack force to the next city, he capitulated.

My biggest mistake of this period was REXing too quickly. My economy tanked baddly, and I couldnt run enough specialists to maintain a decent tech rate (in my mind, anyway). I had 21 turns for Lib once I finished Chemistry. Ugh. But it wasnt too bad, I used the time to consolidate my Empire. I whipped and chopped my brains out, getting Markets and Courthouses up ASAP. I even started the Palace in Angle right away, and chose Hamburg for the FP. They finished within a turn or 2 of each other, and I was back up to a super strong tech rate. After Lib, I actually teched Divine Right, and build Versaille in Cologne and the Spiral Minaret in Berlin. Wow, those 2 wonders worked miracles.

I bee-lined Rifling after Nationalism, while building Cannons. During this time Sal built the AP, and I was made the Resident. I decided to go for an AP win, and actually had a couple votes for it, but I fell short on both, the 2nd by only 15 votes. I decided to hit Toku first, because of the strung-out nature of his empire, so I landed my SoD on his biggest land mass and took 4 cities real fast. None were Hindu, and I had missionaries standing by, I wanted the votes, but Toku threw a wrench into the works. I gave him peace, and he immediately spawned 2 new colonies, Hannibal and Wang. Neither had any Hindu cities, so my plan of a quick AP win was over.

At that point I just decided to start taking out empires. KK was next, and I took his original cities, and moved on to finish off TOku and his new vassels. Meanwhile, I kept spamming cities, getting closer and closer to the 58% I needed for Dom (I had the population number for over 50 turns, heh). Hannibal and Wang didnt offer much of a fight, even though they both had Samauri, LOL.

Not much else to say really. I just took cities, jacked the Culture up, built Theaters and such in the new cities for fast border pops, and finally got the win in 1884 (not 1891 as I thought). I have some screenies:

You can see from the mini-map where I had my land. Also attaching the last-turn save, in case anyone wants to open it up.

futurehermit · May 29, 2008

Hey guys,
I don't think I'm going to get to play this round before I head for vacation, sorry. I'm sure 4+ mop-up reports will be sufficient for the community though

Looking forward to the next installment. I'm back mid-June.

Diamondeye · May 30, 2008

Okay. We'll look foward to it. I might have to start my own final round soon :blush:

OTAKUjbski · May 30, 2008

Come to think of it, I'm supposed to have already started the MC2 thread ...

EDIT: done ... http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=6871620#post6871620

TheMeInTeam · May 31, 2008

Hello everyone, I'm late to this thread a bit I'd say

.

Actually, Bleys requested that I pick up Rolo's save and try for an AP victory, since apparently this has become my signature victory type :lol:

. I did just that, starting from his 1200 AD save (utterly shocked nobody had the AP by 1200 AD). Unfortunately, it didn't go the same as his game did (as you'll see), but I'm putting it up regardless to showcase this approach. I got overzealous with the SS's so I'll do a write up like I usually do:

Spoiler :

Turn before diplo win:

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BornSlippy · May 31, 2008

God, OTAKUjbski, that's like the Jessica Alba of game reports. I love it.

Bleys · May 31, 2008

Wow, cool TMIT. I never realized that trick about switching everyone to another religion. I thought you were referring to the hammer-bonus switcheroo, but that was cool.

So if I had just taken the AP from Sal when it was Hindu, I probably would have had it, eh, after switching to Confu and forcing Sal into Confu, so he wouldnt be eligible for the vote. I see it now . . . well done, indeed. Seriously, that is EXACTLY the kind of manipulation I was hoping you would do, so I could see it first-hand. I have read your reports in other series, but since they tend to differ so wildly from my own games, especially those PYL, I didnt "see" see it.

Outstanding mate. I promise to get the next PYL up soon for ya, LOL, I can tell your looking for stuff to do when you played this old MC next-day after I asked, heh.

OTAKUjbski · May 31, 2008

BornSlippy said:
God, OTAKUjbski, that's like the Jessica Alba of game reports. I love it.

Assuming that wasn't sarcasm ... What did you like most about it?

I haven't done any two reports the same way, because I'm still trying to feel out what works the best and is easiest (quickest) to churn out.

I'd really love to know what element(s) make it a keeper format so I can repeat them in later Reports.

Solon70 · May 31, 2008

That strat went way over my head. I thought you had to have the AP religion as your state religion in order to control the AP.

Bleys · May 31, 2008

Solon70 said:
That strat went way over my head. I thought you had to have the AP religion as your state religion in order to control the AP.

Once you actually own the AP, you are automatically eligible to be voted for as Resident or Diplo Leader. Thats the key. TM took the city with the AP, then forced everyone into Hinduism, so that no one but him would be eligible for the vote. As he did that, he spread the APs actual religion to each AI, either by missionary or outright gifting a city. Once all the AIs had the APs religion, it didnt matter who was what, the vote is still going to be done.

Now, I am not sure if there has to be at least one non-AP-owner in the APs actual religion to get a Diplo Victory vote, but even if there was another buddhist, since TM was Friendly with some AIs, and had vassals, it was no contest, he got the votes.

BornSlippy · May 31, 2008

OTAKUjbski said:
Assuming that wasn't sarcasm ... What did you like most about it?

I haven't done any two reports the same way, because I'm still trying to feel out what works the best and is easiest (quickest) to churn out.

I'd really love to know what element(s) make it a keeper format so I can repeat them in later Reports.

The opening with the bulletpoints - your goals. Then you went on to describe how you achieved the different goals. Very crisp and clear. Only thing I'd like is more pictures in the actual report and not as tags in the end.

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