ubergeneral
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How did that happen? That is insane! I don't see anything special about the starting area and Tibet doesn't have any ability to promote growth.
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How did that happen? That is insane! I don't see anything special about the starting area and Tibet doesn't have any ability to promote growth.
So, after checking a bit everything ... I'm betting it also has to do something with the "Cultural Capitals" mod... Tibet's attribute produces quite a lot of culture after a while, and so do its UU and UB... so, that on par with having only one city, it became a cultural powerhouse, and the Cultural Capitals granted Lhasa a lot of bonuses to production and all that...
turingmachine
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I'm sorry, Tibet is still way way way overpowered even after the update. Every unique gets like 3 bonuses all of which by themselves would be strong enough. You surpass France in beginning of the game culture output by the time you get to the horsemen with workers alone (then add in the UU and all the other civilians). The UB provides a wonder bonus that is normally reserved to one city, in every city, then on top of that it provides even more culture (despite, the ridiculous culture from the UA and UU) and happiness.
The idea behind the uniques are cool, but the civ needs a total re-work.
Great art, though.
The idea behind the uniques are cool, but the civ needs a total re-work.
Great art, though.
SuperWaffle247
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The Gurkha could be replacing the Mughal Fort, meaning you're working on a Mughal Civ. Also, for a tall trader civ with a science boost, maybe a boost/earlier access to science from BNW's international trade routes? Doesn't address the tall thing though.
Irkalla
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Done, it is hugely based on this render though, so credits should also go to him.
And I also expect some fancy answer to InsanelyApple's question
We've got about 3 different lighting environments going on here... Need coloured overlays. Shadows don't add up either.
The city in the background needs better cutting, the shop is obvious. We also need to fudge some depth of field, as the buildings behind the wall should not be this stark. Also, I'm not buying the angles.
The sand could be a bit more... sandy, and the UV is just cartoony. Try a light dusting of monochrome noise, and try desaturated duplicate overlays to tone down the UV.
Not trying to come down on you, but this is something I'd expect from a rough mockup. Hope my input helps you get the right stuff in your crosshairs.
Looking good. But we need a LOT more texture here.
Ayyubids have a city list with the Into the Renaissance scenario, but we'll be largely focusing on Egypt (Cairo, Alexandria etc.) with the Arabian cities (I'll need to double check the Arabian city list) coming in later - all depends on who founds the city first.
We came up with an idea for the UB, but I forgot it. We'll definitely scrap the effect, but we need something that has a religious boost and is unique. Any ideas?
UU - See Sukritact's post
UA Resistance - it's sort of a homage to the Free Tibet thing, there's still controversy around the occupation of Tibet and all that sort of stuff. We were going to have War weariness, but that was too big and exploitable.
UA Culture - I'm thinking of seeing if it can be changed to faith, but the way Firaxis has included the latter is problematic to say the least, so it'll all depend.
I could give the Stupa an effect similar to my Paro Taktsang mod, which would add a tile yield of faith or something but would involve working the tile.
This is definitely a concern at the moment. I need specific feedback on how to balance it beyond the update (which hasn't been released yet). If we were to change the UA to Faith from civilians then it would likely balance out a bit, since you'd only have the UU generating culture. UB changes have also been suggested in this post. So it'll likely be a case of make the changes and then play through again, see how it goes and if it needs to be further balanced at that point.
Ding Ding Ding!
Credit of course to Sukritact! India will be given a Gurkha UU in place of the Mughal fort, and have a UA change (Faith bonus in place of negative UA?), while the Mughals will have the Mughal fort (With a new name) and a unique Siege unit.
Hmm... How would everyone feel about the Stupa providing increased missionary strength? If that's possible...
I personally do stick by my previous comment though. I honestly don't think +1 spread for missionaries is really that powerful think of it independently of the Mosque of Djenne (which like I said, gives even more bonuses to compensate), I'd honestly would get rid of the other bonuses it gives however.
I personally do stick by my previous comment though. I honestly don't think +1 spread for missionaries is really that powerful think of it independently of the Mosque of Djenne (which like I said, gives even more bonuses to compensate), I'd honestly would get rid of the other bonuses it gives however.
chrissifniotis
GoogleCiv 2.0.0 coming...
It should be, Missionary Zeal provides 25%
strength to Missionaries. As long as we can attach it to a building I think it's reasonable to emulate the belief and give Missionaries 25% strength.Sloud
Chieftain
An idea for the missionaries is to allow them to enter other civs borders without open borders treaty, with no attrition, if possible.
Sorry I meant Stupa
Sorry I meant Stupa
The missionary buff is of (very) variable strength, I think. It's not made more powerful by being in multiple cities, but it can be very powerful if you get your religion started early or if you take certain beliefs (Interfaith Dialogue, for instance). The Great Mosque (with free mosque) gives nice bonuses beyond the missionary thing, it's true, but each Stupa gives 1 Culture and 1 Happiness beyond what a normal Temple gives, so that adds up pretty quickly too.
I also don't think Tibet really fits a missionary bonus anyway—Tibetan Buddhism isn't a very aggressive religion. Is it possible for a UB to decrease the effect of foreign missionaries and/or the regular influence of foreign religions? I think that would suit Tibet nicely.
Also yeah that leader screen looks sweet.
InsanelyApple
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ubergeneral
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This topic should be split into two parts.
One part for Tibet and one for showing off the mods that you are working on. Right now there are two different conversations going on, making this thread hard to follow or contribute too.
that said I'd like to help test tibet and give feed back.
One part for Tibet and one for showing off the mods that you are working on. Right now there are two different conversations going on, making this thread hard to follow or contribute too.
that said I'd like to help test tibet and give feed back.
Which is why I suggest removing the other bonuses, so you're just left with a temple that gives missionaries an extra spread.
Yes, it's really nice!
turingmachine
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I think it's just a poor effect to transfer to the UB. If you want to keep the extra missionary spread I say move it to the UA instead of the culture from civilian units. The culture from the civilian units is just repeating the mechanic of the UU, even if you change it to faith you're still using the same mechanic twice within the same civ.
Irkalla
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Attempt Nº2
Primoroso!
Though, some shopping with the town is still rather evident. Perhaps try moving Salah around to cover up?
Sloud
Chieftain
An idea I've had for a while now for a Tibetan civ was to give them a bonus yeild on mountain tiles (initial 1
, 1
, after theology is researched +1
and +1). In addition to this, allow workers and great people to be able to cross mountains (like Carthage) and be able to build trading posts, great tiles and maybe even pastures if you can change script to allow sheep to spawn on mountains.
Personally, I think your civ is fine the way it is, with perhaps only a decrease in the per turn from the Himalayan Cavalry, or change it so it starts at 1 and increases per era. As for the stuppa, maybe drop the happiness and add 1 faith or something similar (as it's effect is still limited to how many missionaries you can attain).
, 1, after theology is researched +1 and +1). In addition to this, allow workers and great people to be able to cross mountains (like Carthage) and be able to build trading posts, great tiles and maybe even pastures if you can change script to allow sheep to spawn on mountains.Personally, I think your civ is fine the way it is, with perhaps only a decrease in the
per turn from the Himalayan Cavalry, or change it so it starts at 1 and increases per era. As for the stuppa, maybe drop the happiness and add 1 faith or something similar (as it's effect is still limited to how many missionaries you can attain).I think that's good. Maybe various techs keep adding bonuses to mountains (food with Animal Husbandry, Culture with Construction, Faith with Philosophy) until, in the mid/late game, Mountains are actually some of the best tiles you can workbut you have to settle near them early, when they're still not very productive.