More Official Civ Leaders

[HounddogLGS]

The US should be George Washington
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He's already in the game.

 

[fauteuil7]

Well, if you do Bill Clinton, make sure you include a cigar and an intern in the leaderhead animation, since that is the only thing he'll be remembered for in 20 years.

Seriously, for America I'd say drop Nixon, Clinton and Jefferspn Davis (he tried to secede from the U.S., not lead it). I'm not trying to be political, but shouldn't we use notable leaders??

I'd say add John F. Kennedy, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, and maybe Thomas Jefferson.

You're not trying to be political?

 

[El Bajong]

Mali: Mansa Sundiata Keita, financial and organized.

 

[evirus]

id like to secound the suggestion of bill clinton(or how ever many other people suggested him) if people would look agenst the republican led witchhunt(funny now they say purgery isnt that big of a crime after scooter was indicted) but anyway sorry for the breif political rants. from what i remember the economy was running pretty darn good under his leadership, so economy would be a must for traits, but what would the secound on be.... hmmmmm....

 

[HounddogLGS]

Here we go with liberal ranting, with no rational explanation to back it up.

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and later went on to be Presiident. Abraham Lincoln won the American Civil War and emancipated the slaves. John F. Kennedy successfully handled the Cuban Missile crisis without starting WW3. Ronald Reagan won the cold war and saw to the fall of the Berlin wall. What great accomplishment did Clinton make- besides some ridiculous notion that he single handedly propped up the economy and it all just fell apart the day he left office.

You know, I don't particularly like all the people I suggested. I think JFK's whole family are a bunch of crooks, and Ronald Reagan's economic policies were hard on a lot of people. But those are POLITICAL views. I pick these people for their accomplishments. Abe Lincoln would be just another name in a textbook if the Civil War hadn't come along- great leaders are made by events, not politics.

 

[mccoyer001]

Here we go with liberal ranting, with no rational explanation to back it up.

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and later went on to be Presiident. Abraham Lincoln won the American Civil War and emancipated the slaves. John F. Kennedy successfully handled the Cuban Missile crisis without starting WW3. Ronald Reagan won the cold war and saw to the fall of the Berlin wall. What great accomplishment did Clinton make- besides some ridiculous notion that he single handedly propped up the economy and it all just fell apart the day he left office.

You know, I don't particularly like all the people I suggested. I think JFK's whole family are a bunch of crooks, and Ronald Reagan's economic policies were hard on a lot of people. But those are POLITICAL views. I pick these people for their accomplishments. Abe Lincoln would be just another name in a textbook if the Civil War hadn't come along- great leaders are made by events, not politics.

It is laughable that you think that Reagan won the cold war or was responsible for the fall of the Berlin Wall. Reagan's hard line policies were counterproductive to ending the cold war and should not be credited with ending it. Communism fell for a variety of reasons and none of them have to do with The Gipper. That is not liberal ranting but it is the actual truth.

Gotta love it when Republicans/Conservatives flame Clinton because he was fiscally responsible and does deserve credit for economic expansion. Liberal are just better with running the economy.
http://www.forbes.com/business/2004...identstable.html?partner=msnbc target=_forbes

Anyway, Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson should definitely be included but JFK and Clinton I could live without. However, I would love to be able to choose from all US Presidents but that would be asking too much

 

[Corvex]

How about Benjamin Disraeli for the English (in my opinion, still the best Prime Minister ever)

 

[Calantyr]

Churchill should have Free Trade as favoured Civic, not Free Speech. He was a famed anti-communist who called for action against them since he first got into political life.

And de Gualle wasn't a leader without any saving graces. Damned arrogant but he kept Free France alive even after the homeland was totally occupied and he had no resources except to fight from the colonies. That's a pretty hard thing to do when all your industry, military hardware, and the vast majority of your manpower are in enemy hands.

 

[IamSid]

No Hitler!! *shudders* a kind Hitler??

 

[evirus]

Here we go with liberal ranting, with no rational explanation to back it up.

Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and later went on to be Presiident. Abraham Lincoln won the American Civil War and emancipated the slaves. John F. Kennedy successfully handled the Cuban Missile crisis without starting WW3. Ronald Reagan won the cold war and saw to the fall of the Berlin wall. What great accomplishment did Clinton make- besides some ridiculous notion that he single handedly propped up the economy and it all just fell apart the day he left office.

You know, I don't particularly like all the people I suggested. I think JFK's whole family are a bunch of crooks, and Ronald Reagan's economic policies were hard on a lot of people. But those are POLITICAL views. I pick these people for their accomplishments. Abe Lincoln would be just another name in a textbook if the Civil War hadn't come along- great leaders are made by events, not politics.

---a few facts for you(source: wikipedia.com)
"In 1999, through Clinton's and the Congress's efforts, the United States had a projected federal budget surplus for the first time since 1969."

"He took a personal interest in The Troubles in Northern Ireland and paid three visits there while he was president in order to encourage peace. His involvement was an important element in the peace process which set in motion the disarmament of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) on October 23, 2001."

"More than 18 million new jobs
Homeownership rate increase from 64.0% to 67.5%
Lowest unemployment rate in 30 years
Higher incomes at all levels
Largest budget deficit in American history converted to the largest surplus of over $200 billion
Lowest government spending as a percentage of GDP since 1974
Higher stock ownership by families than ever before "

if you want to argue leaders should be included because their good, then why should hitler be included, hes bad (frankly if hitler was added in i couldnt care less, what ever floats your boat) but you, sir, should just put your own opinions in and not contest others, leave that to the person who is..........MAKING THE MOD

 

[Wizard of OU]

Oh please, enough with the Bill Clinton Stuff. Ronald Reagan wasn't even a good actor, he was a President who froze when his teleprompter wouldn't work, not exactly fireside chats. I don't think Bill Clinton should be, it's too early to see if he is a loved leader. I would say Kennedy would be a good choive and Benjamin Franklin as well.

England: Oliver Cromwell and Winston Churchill are obvious choices. Churchill was not in favor of Free Speech, he opposed communist and authorised troops to stop a strike, not exactly free speech.

France: Joan of Arc, seriously I always like the idea of having a female leader. Not only guys play this game. Also Charles De Gaulle, without General DeGaulle France would not be the way it is.

Russia: Stalin and Lenin, you may not like the fact that they are Communist and that Stalin murdered millions of people, but not including Stalin is to ignore his place in history, which is loved by some and hated by others.

Germany: There is really no leaders of World War 2 in Germany who won't bring up contraversy. Rommel is respected around the world, taking his own life. Donitz was cleaned of anything pertaining to the Genecide, and Rommel would've been. Yet, I believe that Kaiser Wilhelm would be a good leader as he was the leader of WWI.

Rome: I think that we are looking at this the wrong way, we forgot the Papacy. John Paul II would be a great leader.

Spain: Francisco Franco is a good choice.

 

[evirus]

enough with the regecting others ideas, alright? if you want to debate ideas, START YOUR OWN TOPIC

 

[Bone_Jones_00]

I already made a Clinton mod for my personal game, lol. I wanted a leader who could have both industrious and philisophical and since I liked Clinton as pres., I picked his name. I could slightly edit another leader's face but it would never look like him so he currently has FDR's face (don't know how to just put a picture either).

What I find fascinating regarding the great demo-repub debate is how people think Clinton will be remembered as a bad leader for getting a BJ and lying about it while GWB as a great leader for lying to the world about a reason to go to war. IMHO, a BJ is farrrrrr less of a crime the invading a country (and losing atm i might add). Off my high horse and back to the mod.

From what I can tell, any amount of leaders can be added including ALL the presidents but it takes about 30 minutes of adding text to files per new leader (took me two hours since it was my first time) so it would be a long few days for someone with little time. As for hitler, he would definately be aggressive and organized and would have to be in a mod regardless of the controversy as he was an important figure, whether nice like JFK or not-so-nice like himself.

 

[catwhowalksbyhi]

I would say Kennedy would be a good choive and Benjamin Franklin as well.

While Franklin was definitely a great American and one of our founding fathers, he was never President or leader of the country. Oh, he had leadership and influence, but that is hardly the same thing. He should be a Great something--he fits under several categories, but Great Scientist might be best.

I would also like to add to the whole Clinton debate, that no recent President should be included, since history has not yet had time to settle on a judgement. As proved by this thread, political opinions get far too involved, and who knows which of their accomplishments will actually last as time goes on. JFK would be about the most recent President that should be considered, since he is far enough back in time that even conservatives acknowledge his accomplishments, and no one more recent should be considered.

 

[Martinus]

I considered responding to some posts in this thread, but then realised that the amount of idiotic posts in this thread is staggering. It's quite a shame, consdering a good initial initiative by Muad'dib.

 

[Hastur]

There's another discussion about leaders along with a list of about 80 leaders I proposed at http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139259

One of the rules I took on was to include no leaders who predominately reigned after WWI mainly because of the political discussions (and flamewars) that would come about from including leaders like Bill Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, and Ronald Reagan. Include who you like in your mod just know that you're begging for a flamewar with leaders like these.

 

[Uty]

It seems that the best choices for civ leaders (and perhaps scenarios) are from before our lifetimes. Otherwise things become very polarized.

Consider this: the daily show can make jokes like "I cast my five slaves' three votes for James K. Polk" without anyone freaking out, although that issue caused many a brawl when it was relevant.

 

[evirus]

well you do have a point there Uty realy it takes a few generations to lose negative information of a leader and end up with only praise for them, probably why we dont see more recent leaders in the CIV games

 

[Bone_Jones_00]

If this mod (+50 Leaders) can be combined with a heavier religion mod ( a few people are working on them with +20 Religions) it would be an expansion pack!

 

[Gulio]

I am so releived no one mentioned George Bush Jr., Simple Minded and Un-Smart aren't in the game so yea... good job.

One thing I would like to see is each Civ. having at least 1 of each sex for leaders.

Also, Add William Shatner to the US.