Idea for more leaders for civs

[Mr. Sulu]

I was just thinking about new civs+leaders so I thought I'd make a list

New Leaders:
Hitler, Germany (Aggressive, Expansive favors Police State)
Adenauer, Germany (Financial, Organized favors Free Market)

Pol Pot, Khmer (Protective, Industrious favors Nationhood)
Jayavarman II, Khmer (Industrious, Organized favors Hereditary Rule)

Philip II, Spain (Financial, Expansive favors Hereditary Rule)

Charles V, Holy Roman Empire (Aggressive, Spiritual favors Hereditary Rule)
Maximillian, Holy Roman Empire (Expansive, Charismatic favors Bureacracy)

Wu Zetian, China (Expansive, Imperialistic favors Hereditary Rule)
Taizong, China (Aggressive, Financial favors Bureacracy)
Chiang kai-Shek, China (Protective, Industrious favors Nationhood)

Ataturk, Ottoman (Protective, Expanisve favors Free Religion)

Timur, Mongolia (Aggressive, Industrious favors Hereditary Rule)

Lenin, Russia (Protective, Expansive favors State Property)
Nicholas II, Russia (Protective, Industrious favors Hereditary Rule)
Ivan IV, Russia (Aggressive, Expansive favors Hereditary Rule)

Jackson, America (Aggressive, Expansive favors Universal Suffrage)
Theodore Roosevelt, America (Aggressive, Philosophical favors Free Market)
Kennedy, America (Industrious, Charismatic favors Free Speech)

Sargon, Sumeria (Expansive, Creative favors Hereditary Rule)

Clovis I, France (Aggressive, Spiritual favors Hereditary Rule)

Henrique, Portugal (Expansive, Charismatic favors Free Market)
Maria II, Portugal (Protective, Charismatic favors Hereditary Rule)

Nasser, Egypt (Expansive, Industrious favors Nationhood)
Cleopatra, Egypt (Protective, Industrious favors Hereditary Rule)

Constantine, Byzantine (Aggressive, Spiritua favors Theocracyl)

Marcus Aurelius, Rome (Protective, Philosophical favors Represntation)
Trajan, Rome (Aggressive, Imperialistic favors Representation)

Harun al-Rashid, Arabia (Financial, Creative favors Theocracy)
Abu Bakr, Arabia (Protective, Spiritual favors Theocracy)

 

[Mr. Sulu]

Pachacuti, Inca (Aggressive, Expansive favors Hereditary Rule)

Mangas Coloradas, Native America (Protective, Expansive favors Nationhood)

Ackbar, India (Creative, Imperialistic favors Hereditary Rule)

George III, England (Expansive, Imperialistic favors Hereditary Rule)

Lalibela, Ethiopia (Creative, Industrious favors Organized Religion)
Haile Selassie, Ethiopia (Protective, Spiritual favors Hereditary Rule)

Michiel de Ruyter, Netherlands (Protective, Charismatic favors Representation)

 

[Mr. Sulu]

Does anyone have ideas for Aztec or Mayan Leaders? Just in general more leaders would be appreciated .

 

[pesgores]

All I can say is that Henrique of Portugal was but a prince and never actually ruled the country, and that Maria II wasn't that great of a queen, don't know why it would deserve a spot in the game, her ministers made all the work.

 

[GGracchus]

You are aware of the leaderheads created for various civs in Creation and Customization, right?

Anyway, I guess I have to say:

Gaius Gracchus, Rome. Favors Representation, Charismatic/Organized, maybe?

 

[Mr. Sulu]

Yes, I am aware of the leaderheads created by people. I think Henrique should be a leader as he was involved in Portugal's early exploration. Maria the II I know isn't a great leader, but she's a better leader than Salazar. Also, if we shoudn't include bad leaders than why are Mao Zedong and Stalin included. But I see your point, Maria II isn't great but she's better than Maria "the Mad".

 

[The_J]

You should maybe also have a look at CivGold.
The mod is build in a modular way, so you can easily kick a civ out, just be deleting its folder (because there are really many, many civs included).

 

[goldys_lackey]

If you are modding, you might use the gods of the various civs instead of leaders, and with a new set of traits.

Quetzacotl (Maya): Sacrificial (1/2 happiness penalty for whips), Communal (1/2 maintenance for city no. and pop.)

Thor (Viking): Pioneering (+1 movement of all boats and scouts), Destructive (triple gold for pillage)

God of Abraham (American, Ottoman, Russian, German, Spanish): Patriotic (+1 GPP per specialist), Evangelical (-50% espionage bonus against civs with different state religion where your shrine religion is present in that city)

Ganesha (Indian Elephant god): Communal (1/2 maintenance for city no. and pop.), Celebratory (double length of golden age)

Dalai Lama (China): Reincarnation (50% GP bonus to great Prophet after GProphet birth), Communal

Atheist (English, perhaps Russian): Rational (+25% research with university), Theatrical (10% culture at 5% cost to commerce slider)

 

[NeverSurrender]

Mr Sulu, I wish your thread a long and fruitful existence

 

[NeverSurrender]

George W Bush - Imperialistic, Moronic (-10% Research, -15% Great People Points, +20% War Weariness)

 

[Kid R]

Make it so, Mr Sulu.

 

[GGracchus]

Dalai Lama (China): Reincarnation (50% GP bonus to great Prophet after GProphet birth), Communal

If this represents modern china, you do realize the Dalai Lama has formed an opposition government(the Central Tibetan Administration) against Chinese policies in Tibet?

 

[NeverSurrender]

Uh oh, here comes the politics

 

[Midnight-Blue766]

If you are modding, you might use the gods of the various civs instead of leaders, and with a new set of traits.

Quetzacotl (Maya): Sacrificial (1/2 happiness penalty for whips), Communal (1/2 maintenance for city no. and pop.)

Thor (Viking): Pioneering (+1 movement of all boats and scouts), Destructive (triple gold for pillage)

God of Abraham (American, Ottoman, Russian, German, Spanish): Patriotic (+1 GPP per specialist), Evangelical (-50% espionage bonus against civs with different state religion where your shrine religion is present in that city)

Ganesha (Indian Elephant god): Communal (1/2 maintenance for city no. and pop.), Celebratory (double length of golden age)

Dalai Lama (China): Reincarnation (50% GP bonus to great Prophet after GProphet birth), Communal

Atheist (English, perhaps Russian): Rational (+25% research with university), Theatrical (10% culture at 5% cost to commerce slider)

 

[NeverSurrender]

Instead of just lazily posting a sarcastic picture (anyone can do that) maybe take a minute or two to actually explain why you think the post is worthy of ridicule?

 

[Midnight-Blue766]

For starters, Quatzelcoatl was Aztec,the Dalai Lama historically ruled Tibet, not China, Adonai or Jehovah would be a much better name than "God of Abraham", Vishnu and/or Rama are a much better candidate for a Hindu leader of India, and Perun should be the Russian leader.

 

[NeverSurrender]

Ok thanks, interesting. You certainly have some valid points there.

 

[SamSniped]

I think that Scipio Africanus should be for Rome. Also maybe Sun-tzu for China.

 

[uat2d]

Henrique as in Henry the navigator, like pesgores said, he was never king. He was the Portuguese leader in Civ3 but there so was Jeanne d'Arc, so yeah

A more interesting choice would be Afonso Henriques, the first king of Portugal. His traits could be two out of Agg, Cha, Exp or Imp and his favorite government and religion Hereditary Rule & Christianity.

He was undoubtedly more important to Portugal than Maria II ever was.

As for Salazar, yeah, it would be in poor taste. I mean, he was no Stalin nor Mao, but the overall balance of the Estado Novo was deeply negative. I see no reason why he should be a leader, rather than some others that actually lead Portugal to prosper, like for example, Maria II.

 

[geowzrd]

America: Thomas Jefferson: Expansive/Protective: Favors Free Religion
Theodore Roosevelt: Imperialistic/Financial: Favors Free Market
Elanor Roosevelt(from Civ 2): Industrious/Philosophical: Favors Universal Sufferage
John F. Kennedy: Charismatic/Protective: Favors Free Religion
Ronald Reagan: Charismatic/Financial: Favors Free Market

Aztecs/Mexico: Hidalgo: Spiritual/Protective: Favors Nationhood
Zapata: Expansive/Industrious: Favors Nationhood


Arabia: Ibn Saud: Spiritual/Financial: Favors Hereditary Rule

Babylon/Iraq: Saddam Hussein: Aggressive/Expansive: Favors Police State

Byzantines: Theodora: Expansive/Financial: Favors Hereditary Rule

Carthage: Dido: Financial/Creative: Favors Hereditary Rule
Hamilcar Barca: Agressive/Industrious: Favors Vassalage

China: Tang Taizong: Financial/Industrious: Favors Bureaucracy
Wu Zetian: Creative/Philisophical: Favors Hereditary Rule
Dowager Cixi: Spiritual/Creative: Favors Hereditary Rule
Sun Yat-Sen: Expansive/Industrious: Favors Representation
Chiang Kai-shek: Organized/Industrious: Favors Nationhood
Deng Xiaoping: Industrious/Financial: Favors Free Market

England: George III: Expansive/Protective: Favors Mercantilism
Henry VIII: Aggressive/Organized: Favors Hereditary Rule
John II: Protective/Spiritual: Favors Hereditary Rule
Benjamin Disraeli: Philosophical/Industrious: Favors Representation
Clement Attlee: Industrious/Financial: Favors Universal Sufferage
Margret Thatcher: Charismatic/Financial: Favors Free Market

France: Joan d'Arc: Spiritual/Protective: Favors Theocracy
Henry IV: Organized/Expansive: Favors Free Religion
Louis XVI: Creative/Philosophical: Favors Hereditary Rule
Napoleon III: Industrious/Imperialistic: Favors Nationhood
George Clemenceau: Charismatic/Protective: Favors Representation

Germany: Kaiser Wilhelm II: Aggressive/Imperialistic: Favors Hereditary Rule

Holy Rome/Austria: Charles V: Financial/Spiritual: Favors Theocracy
Maria Theresa: Creative/Protective: Favors Hereditary Rule
Frederick Barbarossa: Expansive/Financial: Favors Vassalage

More coming soon.