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majaczek

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I think we may need with current "Developing Leaders" more traits, esspecially tier 2 and 3 traits of those basic.

Also some traits are much better than another or has litttle use. The two which are most annoying for me is progressive (no visible bonus until late era) and Nomad (which is useful mostly in very early eras).

I use "alternative traits" option and "pure traits" option and "no negative traits" option if it changes anything.

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I would like traits like Nomad II (premmies for later animal-based units, requires Nomad) and move Progressist to hmm... Progressist III, and fill the hole?

EDIT: Did I posted in proper thread?
 
Developing Leaders is DH and T-brds joint project. And I would say it's not top of the List atm.

JosEPh
 
LumenAngel said:
+1 too

But +1 too about Nomad. Really useless after prehistoric era.
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Maybe add something for megafauna and cavalery?

PS: Maybe I should do a modmod on traits? But please someone tell me how to make tier 2 of traits?

do I need
<iLinePriority>2</iLinePriority>
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?

EDIT: ls612, how do you debugged game for advanced leaders? did you used any cheatcodes or so?
 
If you're going to work on traits, you should start with rebalancing and restructuring the base ones. I'll take a moment later to explain how to arrange traits with tiers for developing leaders.
 
I'll begin with ls_traits and fix them a bit, then I'll think on new traits which would be adaptated to them. I think 3 tiers off traits (1 to 3) would be enough or nearly future. Is there any way to change Developing Leaders speed of advance?
 
should I pack it this way?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ryq2b3jzvuqvadu/majaczek_C2C_2.7z?dl=0
or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rj1yht90xlp7ng/majaczek_C2C_3.7z?dl=0

note - this is demo, should work exactly as lstraits

please add me to team :)
majaczek@sourceforge

here is a good save to test
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8fw3hbbkdwwbtj/MAJC89%20Mongkut%2018500%20P.N.E.%20Just%20Before%20Developing%20Leader%20Advance.CivBeyondSwordSave?dl=0

First Version which changes anything
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cumke3fz28oalqe/majaczek_C2C_5.7z?dl=0
It adds trait Philosophical II (not balanced)
 
Thunderbrd said:
If you're going to work on traits, you should start with rebalancing and restructuring the base ones. I'll take a moment later to explain how to arrange traits with tiers for developing leaders.
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majaczek said:
I'll begin with ls_traits and fix them a bit, then I'll think on new traits which would be adaptated to them. I think 3 tiers off traits (1 to 3) would be enough or nearly future. Is there any way to change Developing Leaders speed of advance?
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I agree with TB, if u are going to use anything about traits, use core ones, because the ls612 ones are kinda useless anyways . . and i am hoping TB is going to delete them soon anyways . .
 
strategyonly said:
I agree with TB, if u are going to use anything about traits, use core ones, because the ls612 ones are kinda useless anyways . . and i am hoping TB is going to delete them soon anyways . .
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There is not a big difference between ls612's and the Base Main traits. It's the extra Options of Negative, Positive, and Developing that is the real difference SO.

@majaczek,
Stay the course. You'll be better off in the long run.

JosEPh
 
majaczek said:
should I pack it this way?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ryq2b3jzvuqvadu/majaczek_C2C_2.7z?dl=0
or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9rj1yht90xlp7ng/majaczek_C2C_3.7z?dl=0

note - this is demo, should work exactly as lstraits

please add me to team :)
majaczek@sourceforge

here is a good save to test
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8fw3hbbkdwwbtj/MAJC89%20Mongkut%2018500%20P.N.E.%20Just%20Before%20Developing%20Leader%20Advance.CivBeyondSwordSave?dl=0

First Version which changes anything
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cumke3fz28oalqe/majaczek_C2C_5.7z?dl=0
It adds trait Philosophical II (not balanced)
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It's going to take me some time over the weekend to review this. Be patient. I may well add you to the team once I feel confident you have the full explanation of how to set traits up properly. You may have it down already so I'll look to see what you've done first.

In the meantime, I would actually try charting out what you intend so you can generate and share the plan easier than us having to read through xml. Have you seen the document I wrote out when I planned out the base traits? It needs a lot of editing unfortunately and some feel it's too complicated by having too many elements on each trait - some of that feedback I may agree with now. But it could at least give some ideas and share some of my thinking while also giving you a concept of how to format a chart.

I put it online recently... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ZTN-r_0b65DlgWVPK1WGYAsEK8/edit#gid=739978930

majaczek said:
Could you please link availible premmies for traits?
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Premmies? Are you asking what tags are available for traits? I'm not 100% sure how complete the list the link above goes directly to is but I THINK it was done off of the current available list of tags.
 
Make sure to review the rest of the tabs... not just the page I linked you to! I know the list hasn't been finished with full notes yet... sorry for that.
 
Idea:

Maybe do start Leader's first Level at 400 culture and each next could cost 4x more? (settings for fastest game speed, but I mean 4x instead 10x :P)

Is it doable?

If it is in DLL please expose to XML (it's just a few constants)
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Maybe I'll finish today. I won't guarantee it's balanced, and flavors don't match...
 
majaczek said:
Sorry But I would just use first two pages.
Also I would use c2c traits and ls_traits to compare.
last link is to Assets Folder with latest Changes.

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Did I made Nomad enough good?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5v6ipquxdbxlnj6/majaczek_C2C_31.7z?dl=0

if link doesn't work use this
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vin4r0wl53t6e09/AABtOXxN800eK3BMezCBkg7Ja?dl=0
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Again... I'll have to take a look into that when I can.

majaczek said:
Idea:

Maybe do start Leader's first Level at 400 culture and each next could cost 4x more? (settings for fastest game speed, but I mean 4x instead 10x :P)

Is it doable?

If it is in DLL please expose to XML (it's just a few constants)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe I'll finish today. I won't guarantee it's balanced, and flavors don't match...
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I could probably make the multiplier an exposed constant but it would take me a while to get around to it.
 
how to add entry which adds Health but only in capital?
How to add precise constant amount of food production to capital?
No problem with time, anyway it isn't ready :P

EDIT: My modMod won't work nicely with pure traits :P

EDIT: First Full Alpha :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bsjvbb2ae5b4iu8/majaczek_C2C_57_Full_Alpha.7z?dl=0

EDIT: Please don't download :( there are typos which would make game incompatible, I'll fix it soon

Hopefully this is good https://www.dropbox.com/s/v3vxwacmvgn0e8s/majaczek_C2C_63_Full_Alpha_2.7z?dl=0
 
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