Most balanced civ.

[temporyacc]

Who is the most balanced civ. In all victory types. I'm thinking Persia or Greece both for their UA. What do you think?

 

[Smokeybear]

Siam would be on the short list, too. They have a decent military UU as well as a powerful UA that helps no matter what VC you're going for. Probably why they are almost always one of the most dangerous opponents in my games. They are killer for cultural VC's, and the AI uses them to great affect for military expansionist runaways.

 

[Adjuvant]

Maya, Arabia, Siam. Greece isn't the first civ I could imagine getting a science victory. Persia, yeh about any... if you go really tall with one long golden age you can do about anything.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Inca.

 

[Adjuvant]

I think France is "about always" going to have a better chance for domination long before space, but yeh, France can do about anything.

 

[Jelster]

France are good for culture and domination, which also puts them up there for Science too. I've done all 3 as England as well.

Not sure about diplo, but I could never play for that win anyway, I hack too many people off

 

[temporyacc]

Maya, Arabia, Siam. Greece isn't the first civ I could imagine getting a science victory. Persia, yeh about any... if you go really tall with one long golden age you can do about anything.

Maya and Siam for sure. But I don't see a cultural VC for Arabia. Their UA and UB is made for a wide empire. And it's hard to play a cultural game wide

 

[akashsara]

Definitely Persia. They can do pretty much anything. Siam is quite balanced as well. And for some reason England too.

 

[Adjuvant]

Maya and Siam for sure. But I don't see a cultural VC for Arabia. Their UA and UB is made for a wide empire. And it's hard to play a cultural game wide

I might just have a thing for arabia. Most of my early immortal wins were arabia and I guess it's just my go-to. Ridiculous income can buy alot... timely military, outright sale of cultural and/or tech buildings, city state influence. Meh.

 

[Smokeybear]

Maya and Siam for sure. But I don't see a cultural VC for Arabia. Their UA and UB is made for a wide empire. And it's hard to play a cultural game wide

I've won some cultural VC's with Arabia, 4-5 base cities and puppets as desired. May not be their strong suit, but easily doable.

 

[Petiscator]

What about Carthage, Byzantium and the Netherlands?

Netherlands: their UA helps to maintain your happy faces positive during the course of the game and grants you money/insta net happiness. The UU is well suited and the Polder grants growth.

Byzantium: self-explanatory, you can play them your way by picking whichever bonus you desire. You also get a UU for watery maps and another one for land maps, quite balanced, IMO.

Carthage: all that gold grants many many things. My best games were as Carthage. They get UUs to help in conquest and part of their UA aswell. Also really solid.

Agreed with Persia, Arabia and some others

 

[budweiser]

Aztec. A growth bonus favors all things.

 

[Genghis.Khan]

Carthage and Maya (UA)

 

[ork75]

Inca and Sweden.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

im guessing most balanced in all victory types means solid chance to win with all victory types without overly favoring one of them.

Inca, Maya, Arabia, Siam, and Persia. Domination tactics will help you get any VC. Each of these civs has a generic bonus that only slightly favors once VC over another.

Inca - growth and production UB with a huge movement bonus UA.
Maya - versatile UA (time whichever GP you need for any VC) with an early tech-less UU and great cheap early UB that favors several play styles.
Arabia - gold and resource bonuses favor lots of small and wide playstyles. decent UU for early dom and late oil bonus for late dom.
Siam - decent UU/UB and extra CS bonuses also favor lots of strategies. CS benefits are good in every game style and strategy.
Persia - Golden age abuse and add combat/movement bonus and extra length and it's solid for every VC. The extra gold can go for rush buying particular buildings, units, or buying CSs for diplo votes. they get extra combat modifiers for dom and golden age length for CVs. highly versatile.

Dom vics can come much faster than any other vic at all difficulties, imo, but for me it's listing civs who wont get a particular VC much faster than the others, excluding dom which is always faster. for instance, Mongols get dom vics in a much earlier era than most while being similar in their ability for other VCs but because their dom is, on average, proportianlly better than the others i dont include them.

there are of course others too but they are more clearly aligned to a specific VC, China, Ethiopia, Sweden, and others could also make this list. but in the hands of very good players it kind of doesnt matter. the best of the players here and elsewhere probably would have a different (maybe shorter) list. For them the game doesnt really matter about UU/UA/UB. they have a more equal chance at VCs with every civ.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Egypt and the Celts are all-purpose civs because you can tailor your Wonders or Religion Selections to meet your end goals and pursue those Wonders or Beliefs without having to pay as high of an opportunity cost as other civs do.

I only mention these because they really haven't been brought up yet.

 

[Gucumatz]

Maya + Inca

 

[Nosceteipsum]

Aztec. A growth bonus favors all things.

Agreed Aztecs for one of the best for multiple win conditions. Culture and domination for obvious reasons, but can't count out the science edge to be gained from the jungle bias.

The only thing that the Aztecs have a hard time with sometimes is a diplomatic victory. Too much to be gained from killing everybody. Which doesn't always go over well.

 

[SideScroller]

America ;D

 

[buchengshi]

I'd vote Siam too, especially on bigger maps. If I'm allowed to fiddle with the map settings, slide that CS counter all the way to the right.