Most powerful person ever

Power is relative. Stalin maybe had nukes and industry, but Russia was always comparable to the US in power, probably more powerful in some ways and less in others.

The most powerful person ever would have to be someone who nearly conquered the entire known world. Someone like Darius of Persia (I think the Persian empire hit its peak under him, I'm not sure), Alexander or Caesar Augustus (again I think Rome hit its peak under him, not Julius Caesar, but I may be wrong).
 
State property <> communism. If by communism you meant spreading wealth, there are socialist democracies in the world. If by communism you mean state owns everything, you have USSR and China. A lot of developed, wealthy countries have a much larger percentage of the nation's assets under formal and informal governmental control than a truly free-market economy. S. Korea and China are deceptively free market and state property at the same time (SOUTH Korea; not a typo).

I feel state property is very well represented in Civ, in the sense that all the communist countries in the world fell from inside because they did not know how to use its power. They turned all the towns into workshops and their economy collasped. Many countries run state property today, but only in a few industrial cities, for high production, and the rest are towns. That's how most Civ players use state property. So I believe state property is yet to be tested.

Most powerful person ever: neither Stalin, Mao nor Queen Victoria actually. Most powerful person is the Islamic Caliph. He never abuses his powers, not even as slightly as popes have, but if he DOES issue an order, they WILL be followed, by hundreds of millions, unquestioningly.
 
Muhammad, swept away all forces before him, was revered as a prophet, unquestioned leader of the army of islam, helped change the world forever.
 
Bush Sr or Clinton as the leaders of the only Superpower in the World. I suppose W can be included up to 9/11.
 
Most powerful person ever: neither Stalin, Mao nor Queen Victoria actually. Most powerful person is the Islamic Caliph. He never abuses his powers, not even as slightly as popes have, but if he DOES issue an order, they WILL be followed, by hundreds of millions, unquestioningly.
Interesting idea, however:
A) There hasn't been such a ruler since Muhammad, and he died well before the peak of Islamic power- even empires like the Ottomans or Almohads had their rule challenged or questioned. They were never "Prophet-Kings" as Muhammad was. The idea that all Muslims will follow their leaders without question is like saying that all Catholics will instantly leap into a Crusade if the Pope tells them to.
B) The same could be said about Stalin- under his rule, the USSR developed what has been called a "Political Religion", that is, a dogmatic world view much akin to religion, but without the spiritual aspects of traditional religion. His cult of personality cast him as a Muhammad of Socialism, spreading his message for the benefit of the world. The only difference is he took his mandate from "The People" rather than from God.
 
Power is relative. Stalin maybe had nukes and industry, but Russia was always comparable to the US in power, probably more powerful in some ways and less in others.

The most powerful person ever would have to be someone who nearly conquered the entire known world. Someone like Darius of Persia (I think the Persian empire hit its peak under him, I'm not sure), Alexander or Caesar Augustus (again I think Rome hit its peak under him, not Julius Caesar, but I may be wrong).

Only when the "known world" include all Asia.
 
all the communist countries in the world fell from inside because they did not know how to use its power. They turned all the towns into workshops and their economy collasped. Many countries run state property today, but only in a few industrial cities, for high production, and the rest are towns. That's how most Civ players use state property. So I believe state property is yet to be tested.

I hope you do not mind a little nitpicking. :) I believe there has never been a really communist country. USSR for example was officially always "on the road towards communism". They never got there, understandably. I do not know if N.Korea or Cuba have declared "arriving" at communism, however. Anyway, that would simply be propaganda.

Also, IMHO, if state property becomes absolute, i.e. if all private business becomes illegal, then there is no way it can be advantageous for economy. Nothing needs to be wrong with certain industries being state controlled, however.
 
Hitler in 1943 could be a candidate.

What about some of the old school Roman leaders? At the time they were unmatched.

and I would say that God and Chuck Noris are tied for 1st place ;)

AJK
 
i think queen victoria is up there with stalin, if you think about it she ruled the largest empire by land size and had strong control over several other large countries like the US. she had the biggest and most technologically advanced army in the world. also if stalin had delared war on america how many russian soldier would actually fight that war im sure there would be alot of objection within in the country and im sure lots of respected russian generals were ready to stab hiim in the back at the first chance. if victoria had decided to invade france british soldiers would without question and win too with the man power of india and englands ability to produce guns england would have won any european war it picked, however this was the end of the great european wars with a defensive pact with france that still stands today and a defensive pact with russia being made. i dont think this because im english i just think looking objectively queen victoria controlled the most powerful empire ever seen, most historians would agree, and she did have a parliment to please but not so much as a US preident or UK prime mininster has to now.
 
Various People:
Queen Victoria

Maybe I'm entirely ignorant of the relative power of roles in UK politics but wasn't the PM of the UK more powerful than the Monarchy?
 
Yeah, the Queen technically has the right of veto over laws made by Parliament but there is no way she would use it.

We still have an unelected House of Lords which can force bills back to the Commons for review if they don't like it. Hereditary Lords have been got rid of in the last few years.

Queen Victoria however managed to make lesbianism not illegal when she refused to believe that women would get up to that sort of thing. I don't know if she changed any other laws though.
 
She issued a declaration calling for an end to missionary work in India shortly after the Indian Mutiny. Whether this was backed up by her power or it was parliment pushing through a law at the same time (and asked her to make it publically acceptable), I don't know.

The House of Lords right of absolute veto was ended in 1912 but once a Lord got into that House, he was no longer subject to the whims of the Queen as far as I know.
 
Definitely Mao. I think China has the most soldiers in the arm force in the world.
 
FDR, He is the closesed think to a monarch the U.S. has ever seen. He could of easily been elected again if he was still alive. The U.S. at the time was the largest industrial power in the world.

Hitler would be close, he would of won the war if he just listened to the generals during the war. He would of not declared war on Russia, would of not declared war on the US, and had lots of troops on Normandy during the d-day landings. This ability to take over Europe made him very powerful
 
Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
Adam (assuming he indeed existed). When the world has only ONE person you by default own the world and must be the most powerful one.
 
FDR, He is the closesed think to a monarch the U.S. has ever seen. He could of easily been elected again if he was still alive. The U.S. at the time was the largest industrial power in the world.
Actually, I would more say Harry Truman in 1946. That's the time when the US power has reached its peak. Europe was in dust, economically backward, Russia was still a country of desperately poor farmers (it's only in the 50's that the Soviet Union started to get really industrialized), Asia was still undevelopped and Japan was in ruins. In all this, Truman ruled the only nuclear power of the time, and he's the only ruler who ever used it against an ennemy.

Hitler would be close, he would of won the war if he just listened to the generals during the war. He would of not declared war on Russia, would of not declared war on the US, and had lots of troops on Normandy during the d-day landings. This ability to take over Europe made him very powerful
What if... what if... what if. Frankly the war between Hitler and Stalin was unavoidable. It was a matter of time. Hitler has simply rushed it because he thought that the later it would start, the harder Stalin would be to defeat. Something which isn't totally wrong.

Anyway, to your information, 1943 is the year when Hitler has been stopped in Stalingrad. It's the year of his downturn. His best year is probably 1941. But even then, Hitler had simply too many powerful ennemies to be considered as the most powerful person ever. Don't forget that during the whole war, Germany has never been the leading world power, the US were already the first producer, and the richest economy.

Actually that's the main reason why both Churchill in Britain and De Gaulle in France remained that confident about Hitler's fate. Even before Germany declared war to Russia, they knew that the US were nearly sure to win the war if they would join... exactly because its production capacities were twice bigger than German's. Their only worry, and the worry of all even in invaded countries, was whether the US would intervene or not. Churchill had only to sit back on his island and wait. At the beginning, the idea of a German landing in Britain was a worrying possibility, but once Hitler had declared war on Russia, well it was nearly sure it wouldn't happen.

There were only two alternatives for Hitler :
1/ Not declaring war to the Soviet Union and trying to conqueer Britain. Even in case of success, he was weakening his Eastern border and hence tempting Stalin to take advantage of it.
2/ Declaring war to the Soviet Union and letting Britain alone. Even in case of success, he was weakening his Western border and giving the opportunity for a British/US landing.

All this to say that Hitler could top many categories, but certainly not the one of most powerful person ever.
 
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