useless
Social Justice Rogue
If C_H was truly pro-life he'd be welcoming these refugees fleeing from war zones but it seems only certain types of people deserve to stay alive
Most refugees aren't from Syria, most are young men
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brennan
Argumentative Brit
So: Country A is in turmoil, people from country A flee to country B. Country B cannot cope with all the refugees but could manage with help from countries C, D and E. Those countries bleat about not being willing to take 'economic migrants'.
This is disgusting behaviour. Selfish and hard-hearted.
Akka
Moody old mage.
Is this ire also directed to the whole rest of the world which is not welcoming thousands of these refugees ?
Like Japan, Australia, Russia and the like ?
Or are the Europeans the only ones supposed to have a duty to be generous ?
Like Japan, Australia, Russia and the like ?
Or are the Europeans the only ones supposed to have a duty to be generous ?
brennan
Argumentative Brit
It's very tedious having to field questions with obvious answers. My post makes no reference to specific countries does it? All members of the international community should do their part, not necessarily entirely equally, there are questions of logistics and who can shoulder more of the burden and where it is most appropriate to shelter people of various cultures who speak certain languages.
Akka
Moody old mage.
The problem is, such answers SHOULD be obvious but they aren't really actually. Because in such subject, the amount of double-standards is usually pretty huge.
This part I can agree (though what I'd most agree is an actual decision from the international community to actually fix the problem in the home country so as to not have such amount of refugees - but then we open another can of worms).
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Fixing broken countries hasn't turned out to be something we're very good at. Not breaking them would be a start...
Australia is actually taking 12000 refugees specifically from Syria on top if the regular UN intake.
It's not enough and it doesn't excuse us for our bipartisan extrajudicial refugee torture camp policy (the one fascists in Europe are such big fans of). But it's still a contribution to the crisis.
Akka
Moody old mage.
How exactly did the West break Syria ? Isn't the major blame precisely that the West DIDN'T involve itself in Syria ?
Well, my bad for Australia. The general point stands, still.
Obama and Cameron did surely involve themselves in Syria, both by saying tens of times how Assad=Satan and being set to bomb Syria, and supporting all kinds of 'rebel' groups with arms and cash, many of which are jihadist groups. Some of those supported groups even had cannibals as members
Akka
Moody old mage.
Ah yeah, saying Assad is bad is obviously a huge big involvement (and not, well, stating the obvious).
How far did the actual support go ?
How far did the actual support go ?
50.5% female
51.1% children under 17
38.5% children under 12
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
So no, the majority of Syrian refugees are not young men. But if they were, then they should be accepted in. Since you know that they would be fleeing from warzone and do not take part in any form of conflict.
51.1% children under 17
38.5% children under 12
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
So no, the majority of Syrian refugees are not young men. But if they were, then they should be accepted in. Since you know that they would be fleeing from warzone and do not take part in any form of conflict.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
Ah, my mistake for thinking that the op would post actual facts and figures, rahter than made up ones that support his opinions.
Ryika
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I don't quite see how both statistics have to be contradicting each other. The one cited by the OP claims that only a majority of ALL refugees who are currently seeking asylum are young males, it is not focused on Syrian refugees. The one cited by mech654 IS focused on Syria only.
So it may very well be that we have all kinds of people fleeing from Syria, while a ton of young males from other countries also try to get asylum.
Not that I'm claiming that this to be the case, but I don't see a direct contradiction either.
So it may very well be that we have all kinds of people fleeing from Syria, while a ton of young males from other countries also try to get asylum.
Not that I'm claiming that this to be the case, but I don't see a direct contradiction either.
jackelgull
An aberration of nature
I concede this may be the case.
sophie
Break My Heart
The US-Mexican border was more or less open pre-Reagan. Most migrants operated on a seasonal basis - they'd roll into California for harvest season, collect their earnings, and then go back home. Relatively few came to stay. It was only with the post-Reagan presidents where illegal immigration of Mexicans became a Thing people worried about regularly that the migrant workers suddenly had to start picking sides and that's when you start to see chronic illegal immigration - when people get stuck.
Yes from all Syrian refugees about 50% are female. How suprising.
The fact pointed out are illegal migrants to EU, who were by majority non-Syrian males.
Phrossack
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Exactly! We have a lot of people on the left who, for all their professed disdain for Western-centrism, are utterly Western-centric. Since in their eyes the West is the only part of the world that matters and whose people are the only ones in the world with any kind of agency, it's entirely up to the West to solve everything. If a country is rich and utterly xenophobic, it earns their ire--unless, of course, that country is Japan or South Korea, in which case, they're not taking in any refugees because, yes, well, um, y'see, canwepleasechangethesubject. Those who pointed out that the West had messed up Iraq were the ones who argued against Western intervention in Syria a few years back. So the West stayed out and didn't overthrow Assad--and now it's apparently the West's fault for ruining Syria anyway. After all, it's not like Russia and Iran have been steadfastly supporting the dictator whose butchery of unarmed protesters started this awful war. And it's not like people from the Middle East are human beings able to act on their own without directives from the all-powerful, godlike Western states...
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Since my answer to the second question is: the West didn't break Syria; and my response to the first question is above... your comment is rendered absolutely irrelevant.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
So the EU is at fault since it's their numbers. Go take it up with them.
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