MrB4...Beyond the PC Problems

[Mr. Blonde]

I will play inan hour or so. My plan will be to build 4-5 cats, mass our chariot/ax/swords. I will build the LA city, but the question is according to our old dotmap position or to our new? Great scientist will build academy in either Istanbul or Ankara, should our GPF then be switched to priests ?
THe other open question is when to switch to cast system, now or when our phants and market/temples are built? So my guess will be that I will play ~15 rounds and give you a save with a nice stack to finish ghandi

Unfortunately, there are no unlimited priests in CS, so it is more wise to start to farm great prophet points in a different city with only 1-2 priest specialists running. Caste system could be switched after our first scientist (1 turn Anarchy), then Bursa can run 4-5 scientists (build temple + monastery after conversion in the next round), maybe 3 to not lose too much production/food are enough until it has grown and the buildings are built.

 

[batteryacid]

What with spy action? shall we wait until our Stack is ready?

 

[Belisar]

Regarding "LA": MrB suggested the spot in the south which would have the rice and the southern cow as it would have no ozean tiles (only coast) Just look at my old save or screenshot, there is a warrior for fog-busting.
I can live with this spot (and therefore no city on the small island)

Don't mass the troop outside of our culturual borders as this costs additional maintenance.

 

[batteryacid]

is it really necessary to adopt caste system? this would cost 12 coins and bring us 2 additional scientists in Bursa, is it really worth it? The priest I guess will be switched either in Istanbul or in Ankara.
You mean the spot 1 south of the rice? shall I also begin to improve (if workers available) tiles west of Bursa and west of IStanbul for our future cities?

 

[Belisar]

Caste is necessary to get our specialist cities Bursa and New Dehli up to full speed.
But why would that cost us 12 gpt?

 

[Belisar]

Last time I checked (by mousing over civics in F3) the difference between default and caste was something like 2 or 3 gpt.

 

[batteryacid]

It tells me actually 16 per turn (misread it)
I don´t know, but this seems to be too high, we loose 1 round anarchy and another 10-20% research slider, way too high I would say. So do we keep the 2 scientists in Bursa and one Priest in Istanbul? I will play until we have 2 Phans, 3-4 Cats and 7-8 swords I would say.
If the discussion is not finished yet, I will wait until tomorrow to play my turns.

 

[Belisar]

shall I also begin to improve (if workers available) tiles west of Bursa and west of IStanbul for our future cities?

I hope you mean east
(the clam/cow site at Istanbul and the production site north-east of Bursa)

 

[Belisar]

16 is the total cost, default should be 12 or 13, the difference is not 12, it's something like 3.
Just mouse over the default civic.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Imo you can leave caste system at the moment if the price is really that high. We revolt when we found our secondary GP farm and also switch to pacifism then.

Good luck for your turns

 

[Belisar]

Both of you, mouse over the civics in F3, caste is actually just 2 or 3 gpt more than our current civic!
This is a simple calculation.
Additional Cost = Costs of new Civic - Current Costs

 

[batteryacid]

I hope you mean east
(the clam/cow site at Istanbul and the production site north-east of Bursa)

East, West, where the difference

Note to myself: Buy only a car with GPS navi

So I would say we revolt later; bursa needs the tiles worked at the moment to build its happy buildings fast enough

 

[Belisar]

There is one advantage revolting later:
We will get the prophet sooner as fewer GS-points will be generated.

Still I don't know why you think that changing to caste would cost more than 2,3 gpt.

 

[batteryacid]

So, I played may turns

Turnlog: MM cities , move settler, set to HBR (6 turns)
211: Great scientist sent to Istanbul (22 bulps, next city is Bursa itself with 17)
212: religion spreads to Endrine, that means that the next missionar will go to Bombay, hopefully the religion will spread also to Dheli
Ankara set to market (produces highest amount of money at the moment),
We found Sansum , set to monument for the moment, city needs a bit imrovement and access to cow
Mausoleum of Mausolos is build somewhere
216: HBR founded, switched Istanbul for the moment to war Elephant
217: Bombay adopts our religion
220: Bombay builds a settler! where the heck does Ghandi want to settle?
221: Ghandi settles on the south coast hill in the desert. Well, so he spreads his defense!
223: Ghandi builds the Statue of Zeus. THis can only be in Dheli as bombay built the settler we find COPPER in a hill in Istanbul!!!
224: Our army: 6 swords, 2 phants, 3 chariots and 3 cats
Ghandis army: one axe in the new city, 1 ax, 1 sword and 1 archer in Bombay and Dheli
Time for a showdown, edit: Belisar !!

Our cities are well off (no health troubles, we still have room for 2-4 more happy faces per city due to milita and coll.), one priest is to be set in Istanbul, and you have the honor of conducting the spy missions before Ghandi can built up his defense

I would say we take the cities on our continents, he seems still to have 2 island cities somewhere; he should give us some older techs when begging for peace; poly, Archery and aesthetics are available according to the foreign advisor.

After we have Bombay and he is cornered in Dheli we can build the last 2 settlers and finish developing our continent for the moment.

Heres the save

 

[Mr. Blonde]

So...he has the SoZ. One more reason to get him quick. What did you tech? Philo? What´s the $$ situation? And who the heck is Martin?

So, Belisar. Time to live up to your name and let the army loose. The spy mission we want is incite revolt. Try in Dheli a couple of turns before you invade so if it fails the second spy can move from Bombay to Dheli and try again.

 

[batteryacid]

Additional Info: Philo in 12, then I would say civil service and paper are up (University of Sankore for discussion)
Money: 50/50 (41,+2), with CasteSystem we would have lost another 10% (= 14 bulps) science which doesn´t pay for the 2 scientists and the lost production in Bursa, great scientist is in 12 turns (at the moment) and should build academy in Ankara
Christianity and Taoism still not founded, Confucionism has 25% influence, which makes a good picture of our developement.
Ghandi has 20 and 60% city defense in Bombay/Dheli which should not be a problem with our 3 cats.
Bursa will need some mm after colloseum is built, we can then switch to caste (if we don´t want to wait until the second GPF is up).
At the moment I have ceased military production, all cities are now producing happy buildings; some coastal cities will need lighthouses (didn´t build it in Istanbul for now as it would have grown too fast and delayed military buildup)

Konya will need compass (for harbor) sometimes but is the ony city with health problems due to lacking woods there.

I did not set a priest anywhere because all cities really needed happy buildings, but after markets in Istanbul we can add a priest there and build a lighthouse. We also will need some milita for unhappy quenching after we begin war- is +3 the max btw?- so we will have to throw in some cheap milita in Istanbul or Edirne. We already pay 5 coins for units, so we will have to begin war with the units we have now, which should be easily enough for Ghandi.

 

[Belisar]

Are we ready for invasion?
I will have a look at the save tonight but probably play tomorrow night as there's a lot of stuff on my todo-list (seems I have spent too much time posting in forums... )

Do you see the ironical side here, Belisar as the commander of an ottoman army

Btw, there is no cap for MP, makes some tricks possible.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Belisar...Great General and opportunist

One thing that popped in my mind at the moment: We can switch civics instantly during golden ages. We should think about burning our next one and use the time to switch to CS and Pacifism, preferably when we have eliminated the Indian cities on our continent. University of Sangakore may be a thought, especially as we have stone on the continent.

Edit: Although I am in the south from today for a week to purchase a car, I could play from Saturday on as my father is on a course in Vienna

 

[Belisar]

Your time schedule gives me one more night as last 2 days were really time consuming
But the army is marching already

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Your time schedule gives me one more night as last 2 days were really time consuming
But the army is marching already

"Gut Ding braucht Weile" - just take your time. We are in no hurry. Although maybe in 2 weeks I am out for some tme due to a new job, but I am still waiting for a call at the moment.

Btw, I would be alone and bored this weekend in the south unless you´d have time for a play or just pub and some chatting...

Edit: A New patch is on its way the next week! Don´t update unless we want to have our next unfinished opus on the list!!! (I don´t think saves will be compatible due to the long list of gameplay changes)