Mt Rushmore???

[ogmoir]

Mount Rushmore seems like an odd choice (although it's known abroad, too, to anyone who watches Hollywood films or American tv series ). But I'm very happy they've included Stonehenge, Chichen Itza and Angor Wat as well.

 

[Himalia]

I dread to think just how many wonders could be added to the game with abit of effort theres well over a 100 in the mod i use and thats just great the more the merrier i say. The thing is i think Rushmore should be a great wonder simply beacause its unique. Ok it may not do all that much compared to an ancient wonder or something but hey its something to build and will probably add just abit more culture.
I like the idea of loads of small wonders but you probably guessed that.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

I would be happy with it if it was an American civ-specific small wonder but I don't think it holds any world wide significance like stonehenge chichen itza angor wat etc

 

[Urederra]

Keep in mind that virtually all of the early age great/small wonders are NON-american. Just because the "modern" age is chock full of them doesn't necessarily mean a large americanized slant. But, almost all of the American wonders have occurred in recent times. (although the native tribes really should get their recognition, too).

I agree, I was being cynical in my last post, sorry.

I also agree with the other post, The statue of liberty sounds better to me, even for a great wonder, not because what it actually is, but because what it represents.

 

[Tiger_Nation]

I agree about the statue of libery
'give us your oppressed masses' etc its a far better symbol and really is of worldwide significance.

 

[Jaybe]

Statue of Liberty?!? That's a FRENCH wonder!

There aren't that many wonders, and how do you define a wonder in the first place? A bit arbitrary, isn't it.

Since it is so arbitrary, go ahead and allow Firaxis to be arbitrary in their definitions of wonders, great and small. The point is that while the wonders' effect in the game are probably not historical, we still may at least become exposed to some that we had never heard of before.

 

[Bloodsfire]

They should make the statue of liberty a great wonder that you can give to other civs to make them happy (If given to A.I. it would automaticaly give them best Attitude towards you) now that would be sweet!

 

[Urederra]

Statue of Liberty?!? That's a FRENCH wonder!

There aren't that many wonders, and how do you define a wonder in the first place? A bit arbitrary, isn't it.

Since it is so arbitrary, go ahead and allow Firaxis to be arbitrary in their definitions of wonders, great and small. The point is that while the wonders' effect in the game are probably not historical, we still may at least become exposed to some that we had never heard of before.

Yes, Is a gift made from the frenchies. The thing is that in Rome there is another one, even older than the french statue of liberty (the one by the river Seine, in Paris, oh, la la), and the romans (well, people who live in Rome right now) claim that the french copied them. That's second hand information to me, It needs to be double-checked.

 

[Invisible Rhino]

Mt. Rushmore is more of an eyesore than a wonder....oh well.

 

[Lucky The Fox]

Mt. Rushmore is more of an eyesore than a wonder....oh well.

So is Eiffel Tower.

 

[Desertsnow]

I was never a great fan of Mount Rushmore. Statue of Liberty would work, though, I'm of the opinion that a Wonder like the Statue of Liberty would work only under certain governments, or rather, permutations of civics, for example if you have too much of despotism, and not enough of suffrage or represenatation. Just a thought.

 

[I am the Future]

I hadn't heard about Rushmore as a small wonder; but, it seems related to fascism in the sense of glorifying nationalist leaders and proclaiming the greatness of one's nation (the nation those leaders 'built'). It's propoganda, which is something fascists are very familiar with.

Even though you are correct in that it is more of a fascist wonder it will probably be used to counter fascism like some one else said.

 

[Tantor]

I think it would be great if each civ had a small wonder attached. All of the wonders would have the same effect, but it would be uniqe for each civ. The wonder could some way boost health, hammers, culture or have some kind of golden age attached. Or when you start your golden age you get a small wonder in your capital to symbolize it.
Some suggestions:
Romans - Collosseum
Americans - Empire State or Mt Rushmore
French - Triumphal Arch, Eiffel Tower or the Louvre
English - Tower Bridge or Stonehenge
Greeks - Olympic Games
Egyptians - The Sphinx or the Valley of Kings
Germans - Brandenburger Tor
Chinese - Terracotta Army
Scandinavia - Swedish Bikini Team?

 

[Afgnwrlrd]

Scandinavia - Mansionesque public schools

 

[Tantor]

Scandinavia - Mansionesque public schools

Que?

I don`t understand what you mean.

 

[Sirian]

Since wonders are getting wonder movies, they can only afford to pay artists to do X number of them.

A lot of fans requested the return of wonder movies. Well, duh... With that comes a hard limit on the number of wonders to be included, as well as rendering modded wonders "second rate" (because they won't have movies).

Is this a case of "Be cafeful what you wish for. You just might get it!" ?


Anyway... A lot of Civ's elements could be done right in more than one way. Of much greater importance (in my mind, at least) is what the wonders DO. What is the gameplay attached to them? In real life, wonders rarely convey any great inherent benefit, but that is the whole point of Civ wonders, to get a unique bonus.

Debating which wonders should be depicted is the same as debating the look of the sword unit: It's a debate about eye candy. That's cool, but I have a hard time placing more than passing interest in such a question. I'm one of those would play the thing with Civ1 graphics if the game is fun.


- Sirian

 

[Himalia]

Wonders movies are back yay hadt noticed that. Hmm hope that means they can moded fairly easy.

 

[Stile]

Anybody seem "North By Northwest"? Eyesore? No way. Grant/Thornhill: " I don't like the way Teddy Roosevelt is looking at me." It's way more renown today than the Temple of the Sun, particularly in America, but I suspect elsewhere.

(Actually the Superman scene where Zod(?) and company changed it to their faces in a matter of seconds might be more well known.)

Millions of people every year?

I think Florida beaches receive more people. Let's make a small wonder for every american state. It is easy, just copy what is on the number plates of the cars or in the quarters.

I'm sure Daytona alone draws more people. My point is that it draws that many people to the middle of nowhere, the Blackhills of South Dakota.

 

[Invisible Rhino]

So is Eiffel Tower.

What, pointy stacks of metal don't appeal to you now?

 

[Himalia]

The Eiffel tower counts as a modern wonder i would like for it to be there the more wonders the better. It not exactly a great wonder but hey its still impresive.