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n0x-01 -- I Wonder...

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Succession Games' started by n0xie, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. Kikinit

    Kikinit Emperor

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    The year is 250BC and we are still alive having built all the wonders in the world so far. Let's see if we can keep it that way for a while longer.

    To start with, lets see where we stand with techs and wonders. We have the monopoly on Metal Casting and the forge is due in 1 turn in Madras. No hurry then on the Colossus which is good as we don't have copper to speed it along. We are down Code of Laws to Ghenghis. That means that he is capable of building the Chicken Itza. He won't trade it to us yet either.

    We also have a couple of other civs that have Mathematics so are capable of building the Hanging Gardens. Luckily on that front, the aqueduct is about to finish in our capital (courtesy of a :whipped: :D ) and can immediately start on the Hanging Gardens after that. The other wonder that is around at the moment is the Great Library. This one can also wait as no other civ has literature and some don't even have the pre-requisite for that, Alphabet.

    In conclusion. Hanging Gardens needs to be built. Code of Laws is urgent. Great Library and Colossus can wait for a little while.

    Here's the new chinese city to our South. I hope we can find a way to liberate this place. It will be a nice city once all the jungle is removed as it has 7 :eek: resources in it's BFC.



    (1) 235BC - Delhi finishes the aqueduct and starts on the Hanging Gardens. Due in 14. Should drop with growth and MM. Madras finishes a forge and goes onto a fast worker that was queued up. Not sure why but must have been someones choice so I leave it to finish.

    In Bombay I put a barracks in front of the archer that will finish in the next turn. I can't see a need for the archer this turn so should have time to whip a barracks in and allow the archer and all others to follow to have a bit of XP.

    (2) 220BC - Whip the barracks in Bombay.

    (4) 190BC - Bombay finishes the archer (with 4 XP) and goes onto a settler. And not before time as we need some more cities.

    (5) 175BC - I lose one of our last exploring warriors to a barb axe. He must have been sleeping the whole time as I didn't even know we had him. He was probably healing from an earlier battle. Oh well.

    (8) 130BC - Madras finishes the fast worker finally and starts on... The Colossus. Not really any other urgent buildings around and with a settler coming along in Bombay already, I may as well start on this. As we don't have copper, it's going to take some time to finish. I check around and only Hatty has spare copper to trade but it's red so she won't trade it with us. I open borders with her in the hope of softening her stance and that maybe she will trade it to us in the future. Small hope I think.

    (10) 100BC - Hinduism has spread to Shanghai. I wish it would spread automatically to Madras! That scared me... I thought who's built what!! It was only religion. I should have known by the sound anyway.

    I am starting to think that Music could have waited. We have the monopoly on the pre-requisite techs and are behind Code of Laws. Unless someone can put up a good argument against it, I would suggest that we prioritise getting our hands on CoL's next to allow us to do the Chicken Itza world wonder. Ghengis has had this tech for quite a while so this is now our biggest risk. Music is due next turn.

    Hanging Gardens is due in (2) so we can use the tech for this, Mathematics, as trade for CoL's if Ghenghis will play ball. At the moment CoL is red in the trade screen. Colossus is due in 35 turns. Not too much worry there as we have the monopoly still and are a forge up so we can just let this build. Settler is still 7 turns away in Bombay.

    One point of interest in the Info screen is our land area is the biggest even with the few cities we have. I would say that we are quite a bit ahead on culture too and the area is due to our big cultural boundaries. Our soldier level is last but not terrible at the moment. But this reflects out tech advantage more than number of soldiers. The rest of it needs work and will come with more cities and worker developments.



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  2. n0xie

    n0xie OCC-addict

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    Very nice turnsets Kikinet.

    Atlas I'm not 100% sure about the culturebomb thing but I seem to remember that it's all about culture/turn. Someone should look it up because that Mao city in the south looks very, very tasty. Might even want to start a small war for it later if culture expansion doesn't work.

    It's a national holiday the next couple of days here (think 4th of July), so I won't be able to play, nor do I want to at least untill sunday, so omni_paul it's all yours :)
     
  3. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    Good timing :) I happened to be lurking when you posted.

    I've got to do my first 30-40 on Malionaire tonight, but will try to slot this in as well. If not, definitely tomorrow.

    Btw, for all those who don't know, I'm GMT+10.
     
  4. Atlas

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    Kiknit good turns. Are you trying to make me nervous? Well, I have to admit there is a bit of that going on here :undecide:. I think we will still pull it out, Chichen Itza that is, but now you got me nervous :) .

    Having looked at the save I see that Mao now has Calendar and Construction as monopoly. Genghis is pleased with Mao, so we may see a trade there. I think that we may see someone else get CoL soon, lets check everyturn to see if we can make a trade there. Khan lacks stone, so it will take him twice as long to build, he has had CoL for 15 turns now. Wow I really hope we don't lose Chichen Itza!
     
  5. Kikinit

    Kikinit Emperor

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    Atlas, I'm not un-necessarily trying to get you worried. I am just trying to keep our eyes focused on the ball and as far as I can see, Chicken Itza is our biggest threat at the moment. We still need to research the tech which is expensive and then build the wonder. The wonder is going to be enhanced by our availability of stone but are we the only ones with that?

    A trade for it would in my opinion be very valuable for it and if it takes a bit of a lop-sided deal to do it then so be it. Same for if we can get copper in the next few turns from Hatty. I would take a lop-sided deal while we need the copper and then cancel it afterwards.
     
  6. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    Bed beckons after a hard day at work. I shall play this tomorrow morning unless n0x changes his holiday plans and picks it up in between.
     
  7. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    Got it, playing now.
     
  8. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    Well for some reason the autologger simply refuses to load with this savegame... I even uninstalled and reinstalled the entire damn game! To no avail sadly, so here is a relatively detailed report from some hand written notes.

    Not much happening... fairly quiet little turnset, though the next player should have more to do. I see that we're 2 turns from the Hanging Gardens, 35 from the Collossus, and 1 from Music (with a free Great Artist). Very nice. We also have a settler under construction (I approve) and he's due in 7. All in all, very nice.

    Nobody wants to play with us trade wise, but I'll keep checking back on that.

    Btw, I only took 2 screesnshots. Not a whole lot happened!!

    Turn 1:

    Music > Code of Laws.

    No-one has Theology yet (evidenced by the fact that it still grants Christianity), and Code of Laws is the only tech available to us that accesses a wonder, so the choice is pretty clear. I'd love to trade for it, but suspect we won't be able to.

    Homer is born, and offers Drama. No thanks, your talents will be best served elsewhere. I see we have another Great Person due in 3 turns in our capital, and the odds say it will be a Prophet, although it could be an engineer (27%). An engineer would be sweet for Chichen Itza, but a prophet could either be used for a tech or a GA with Homer. Sleep Homer and wait.

    Turn 2:

    Delhi > Hanging Gardens > Notre Dame

    We have stone, so we can knock this one over pretty quickly.

    Turn 3:

    Mahavira born in Delhi. Great Prophet. He offers Theology... good deal, it comes with a wonder and religion. I take it.

    We found Christianity. Sweet.

    Turn 4:

    Spread Christianity to Delhi via our free missionary.

    Turn 5:

    :coffee:

    Turn 6:

    Hatty wants us to cancel OB with the Mongols, I tell her where she can stick that idea.

    Turn 7:

    Bombay > Settler > Settler

    Still have a little time before Code of Laws comes in, so lets pop out another settler while we have the chance.

    Turn 8:

    Bangalore founded on old yellow dot. My intention is to grab the iron in its radius, and Culture Bomb it to try to flip Nanjing. Should work.

    Turn 9:

    :coffee:

    Turn 10:

    Culture bomb Bangalore for this result:



    Already down to 18, and producing little culture. As soon as we get any cultural building in Bangalore, Nanjing will be ours.

    Mao is walking this through our territory:



    Considering he's pleased with us an willing to trade us iron (we have nothing to trade back, sadly) I have no idea who he's off to attack! Should be fun.

    So that's it! Collossus in 16, Notre Dame in 12 and Code of Laws in 2. Chichen Itza should be rushed/chopped in Bombay once its settler is done. I'd suggest whipping the settler once CoL is in and using the overflow on Itza, but that's up to the next player!
     
  9. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    And the all important...
     
  10. Kikinit

    Kikinit Emperor

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    Nice Paul. That culture bomb looks like it's going to do the job. Shame that we didn't get a Great Engineer but a religion and one of the techs we need for a wonder isn't a bad consolation.

    We are doing well. Lets whip and chop this Chicken Itza baby in.

    I'll post a roster as much for me as everyone else as I don't know who's up.

    Roster:
    -- n0xie -- Up
    -- omni_paul -- Just Finished (swapped with n0xie)
    -- Sina -- On deck.
    -- Atlas
    -- Kikinit
     
  11. n0xie

    n0xie OCC-addict

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    Still won't be able to play untill tomorrow morning. Too much beer to be had and women to be made jealous. So Sina it's all yours :) If you haven't picked it up by tomorrow night, I'll take it.

    We should bring some missionaries to Bangalore: they give culture as well...
     
  12. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    Yes, forgot to mention that. Spread Hindu to it and it gets another culture point that will out culture the Chinese city, making the flip even faster.

    If we can chop in the Chichen Itza, we'll have a nice little lull in which we can build some military and maybe invade someone!
     
  13. Atlas

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    Sistine and Angkor Wat are both coming up shortly.

    I am not sure if it counts, but if it does, I think we will lose it

    Magellan's Expedition :eek:

    Probably a ruling from the Capt'n on this is needed. Is this a wonder? No movie, and don't wonder's have wonder movies ;)

    -Atlas
     
  14. omni_paul

    omni_paul Mr. Shambles

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    You mean circumnavigation? I don't think it counts.
     
  15. Sina

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    I got it and will propably play soonish.
     
  16. Sina

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    Looks good. CoL in 2 and Bombay is supposed to build Chichen Itza. Ok, got it. I'll send workers to chop the forrests on the spices.

    (1) 65AD
    Nothing.

    IBT: Mao wants to trade Calendar and gold for Theology. I don't think we should trade it away before we have built Sistine. So I decline politely.

    (2) 80AD
    CoL -> Philosophy
    Madras grew unhealthy so it's stagnant now. Colossus is due in 10.

    (3) 95AD
    Delhi got a new forrest. Nice!
    Bombay gets assigned to build Chichen Itza. I order 2 chops for 246h together.
    Nanjing is unfortunately gaining % and not losing them. 25% Chinese now. :(

    (4) 110AD
    Change Delhi to a Hindu missionary (The forrest chop came in). I'll not chop more there. Missionary in 4 turns and then Notre Dame in 5. That'll do.

    IBT: Hatty also wants to trade Theology for Calendar. I decline not so politely.

    (5) 125AD
    Nothing.

    (6) 140AD
    Order another forrest chop for Bombay.

    (7) 155AD
    Nothing.

    (8) 170AD
    Revolt in Nanjing! (2 turns)

    (9) 185AD
    Nothing.

    (10) 200AD
    We didn't get Nanjing. :(
    I spread Hinduism in Bangalore.
    The forrest chops at Bombay came in and I whip for 3 pop. Chichen Itza next turn!
    Notre Dame in 3 and Colossus in 2.

    I'm not too happy with research. I chose Philosophy because of the scare CoL gave us. We might need utility techs like Calendar/Currency/CS more though. And not to forget Engineering. The AI always goes for that a lot earlier than I do. We might need to get started on that right away.
    Mao and Genghis want an arm and a leg for Calendar (Theology + Literature) and Hatty wants CoL and Theology. Those trades are certainly no option!

    View attachment 125235

    Edit: I completly forgot to take screenshots. Sorry for that.
     
  17. Atlas

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    Cities don't join your empire on the first "revolt," It is a very good sign thought that it is revolting, I bet we snag it soon.
    Until Nanjing flips to us I don't think that we want to be Calendar, it obsolelets our oblisks (one of which is putting pressure on Nanjing) and we don't really have a variety of Calendar resources yet.

    As for research I think Philosophy is right where we want to be, then trade for construction, CS, and currency, the research engineering for Hagia Sophia. I like Sina, almost always get engineering late, but after that I think a beeline to Liberalism may be in order.

    I have the save and will play tonite or tomorrow.

    After that I favor a filling in of our back lands and major military build up.
     
  18. Kikinit

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    Nice stuff Sina. That revolt is what we want to see but we will need to build some culture buildings in Bangalore to make sure it flips again. Next time it flips it's ours so I understand.

    Had a look at the save and have come up with this rundown of all the wonders available and soon to be:

    Wonders we can build
    • Chicken Itza (said enuf on this already) - due in 1
    • The Great Library - No-one has literature and only 2 (Ghengis + Mao) have Alphabet
    • The Sistine Chapel - No body has Theology.
    • Notre Dame - Music needs drama or literature so the priority for this should be after The Great Library. It's due in 3 so we can forget about it soon.
    • The Colossus - We've still got the monopoly on Metal Casting. This is due in 2 so we can forget about this one as well.
    Wonders we cannot yet build
    • Angkor Wat - No-one has philosophy yet but a few can research it.
    • The Hagia Sophia - Needs Construction and Engineering. Only Mao has Construction.
    • The Spiral Minaret - Needs Monarchy and Divine Right. Both Julius and Alex have Monarchy.
    • Taj Mahal - Needs Nationalism but this can wait for a bit yet.
    Based on this list, I think Philosophy is alright to research but we need to look at trading for Construction and Monarchy when we can and then getting Engineering and Divine Right. Divine Right might go early due to the attached religion. My feeling is that Spiral Minaret is the most risky at this point but we have no need to panic as no-one has the pre-requisite technologies.
     
  19. Atlas

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    Kiknit don't forget Versailles is also enabled by Divine Right. It should be interesting :)

    T0-200AD (480 Turns left) Chichen Itza due next turn. Notre Dame in 3. Colossus in 2. I like how things look! :). I switch Bangalore to a Monastery from an archer. Bombay, Delhi, and Madras will do a round or two of military before one gets a wonder assignment since I think that we are well ahead of the curve here. I micro Delhi to Notre Dame a turn faster.

    T1-Chichen Itza

    T2- 230 AD 478 turns left Notre Dame and Colossus. Taoism FIDAL :eek: by Mao,who won't trade for it.

    T3- 240 Madras is unhealthy so I whip a Granary.

    T4 245 AD Now Mao has drama, that he also will not trade.

    T5 275AD Man the numbering is weird here!!! 475 turns left. Delhi starts Library for Great Library.

    T6 Zzzz

    T7 305 AD- Great Engineer born-Imhotep. I am going to rush the Sistine Chapel in Bangalore to put more cultural pressure on Nanjing. Nanjing just got it's first border expansion.

    T8 320AD 472 turns left. Settler born Axeman started in Bombay.

    T9 Mao converts to Taoism :sad: Okay Imhotep arrives in Bangalore and only there do I realize that he will only give 810 shields of the 900 shield Sistine Chapel. Bangalore currently gets 10 sheilds per turn, but that will change soon, so I go ahead and do it. Settler arrives in Delihi. I am thinking that it is time to settle that sheep, corn, clams site. Worker dispatched to chop the forest that we would settle on. That worker should then Cotttage Delhi completely! You know actually i don't think we should settle one city on that corn, sheep, clams site, but instead divide it better. Instead settle on the desert tile one west and two south of that clams. and then settle another city one tile east of the sheep. Now I trade Hatty CoL for Monarchy, hook up that wine please :). Genghis gives Currency plus 100 gold for Metal Casting. Mao gets Metal Casting and gives Calendar plus 190 gold. I hope these trades are cool with folks. Soon we will be able to trade the highly valuable Music around too, hopefull to net CS, Construction and some other odds and ends techs.

    T10- Nothing.

    Try and hook up the Wines, Bananas, and Dyes now that we have the appropriate techs. Put cottages around Delhi. Madras will have a settler in 5. I currently have an engineer specialist in Delhi, he might be useful for The Great Library or Angkor Wat, but he is not due for 27 turns, once Delhi reaches size 11, run specialists if you want to decrease the time or Maximize for sheilds on the Great Library.

    Apologies but that Settler may be on a go to order, and what is worse I don't think the go to is the best tile to settle on, so you will want to correct that. The worker that was right behind the settler may also have a go to order Sorry for that.
     

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    Nice call on the Sistine Chapel Atlas. That should do the job. I think that if we can get enough production in our outer cities and have time to build then we should do the high culture buildings out on the borders to keep the cultural pressure up.

    And yes. Add Versailles to the list. That is double speed with marble so that should help a bit. Great Library's also double speed with marble.

    Just to complete the list, Angkor Wat & Spiral Minaret need stone, Hagia Sophia & Taj Mahal need marble. Damn glad we've got them both.
     

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