Native America Mod

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I'd prefer not to have static leaderheads, though I agree it would cut down on file size and creation time. What we could do is make static leaderheads while the rest of it is in production and revisit the leaderheads as a finishing touch?

The civilopedia entry I did for the Sioux was taken from the Colonization manual word for word. I could do the same for the Arawak, Tupi, Cherokee and Apache.

What traits should the various tribes have?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I don't like the idea of non-3-D animated leaderheads. Besides, that would render the great work Unexisted has already done moot.

I'll do alittle web-surfing, and see If I can get those leaderheads.

 

[Unexisted]

Sure, I was planning on non-animated 3D leaderead. Well, with three moods. But just pictures, auto-switch?

 

[Mobilize]

Here is my list for a 31 civ native American mod.

Central America
01) Aztecs
02) Maya
03) Olmec
04) Toltec
05) Carib
South America
06) Inca
07) Tupi
08) Arawak
09) Moche
10) Mapuche
11) Chibcha
Eastern North America
12) Iroquois
13) Cherokee
14) Leni-Lenapes
15) Choctaw
16) Creek
17) Shawnee
18) Algonquin
19) Inuit
20) Sioux
Western North America
21) Apache
22) Navaho
23) Nez Perce
24) Ute
25) Shoshone
26) Haida
27) Commanche
28) Natchez
29) Pomos
30) Cree
31) Cheyenne

Dang.. I wish we could have 32.. either the Chippewas, Crows, Araphos, or Osages could be included

 

[Unexisted]

Wow more?
You really did your homework. But most of these groups are either bounce-offs of a main tribe (Iroquois) or very insignificant. Haida? Shoshone? I apparently never heard of them so I have know idea how they are. Assumingly they're just a revolted group or migrants from the:

Westen North America (Apache, Navajo, Cheyenne)
Eastern North America (Sioux, Cherokee, Iroquois)
Meso America (Aztec, Maya)
South America (Inca, Maya, Tupi)

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The mood specific pseudo-3-5 leaderheads are good too, lets use both types!

Found a couple of suitable leaderheads so far:

1. Inuit Leader

2. Tupi leader

 

[Unexisted]

That Tupi one scares me
Don't think we should use that one. Little bit too generic. The female one might be to Poser default, I wouldn't feel good about getting credit for something like that.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I actively scout for new leaderheads, so you might not come across any I haven't got. Funnily enough, I'd considered the Inuit one, as I use it in my default mod with an extra pcx set I did for the industrial era. I think I did the foreign advisor pcx that's available because Aaron Burr (the creator) had pallete trouble - but I can't remember. He certainly did a grand job with the flics. I've even asked for igloos as a city graphic set - and SpincruS has offered to have a go at them tomorrow. I might add them to my version of this mod to see how they look, depends on the city graphics.

Mobilize has certainly helped with the info - but I hope he doesn't expect another 25 generic leaderheads

 

[Unexisted]

Well, I dont have to creativley make a lh atm. This train appears to be going very slooow.

 

[Mobilize]

Use Atahualpa for the Tupi.. somebody needs to make a new Inuit one, the girl just doesn't seem practical because she's a nobody.

 

[Unexisted]

And make Atahualpa three ppicture animatin.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The Tupi head: No need, Civ 4 army has granted permission for us to use his Tupi civilization(city lists and everything) Plus he's working on a animated 3-d Tupi leaderhead(which is about 50-65% complete), which he also has granted permission to use, check the Brazilian thread and you'll know I'm not lying.

The Inuit head: She might be a nobody, but hey, she could become anyone if we so desire

I have an idea. Some people like smaller download sizes(I don't mind waiting, plus I have ALOT of Hardrive space availible), therefore, how about this: We have two versions of the Mod availible for download: One for a quicker, smaller download, and the other with the 3D leaderheads. Also, a third option is to have the 3-d leaderheads available as either a separate patch, or as individual files, with instructions on how to add them to the mod. That way, everyones happy.

How about this leaderhead as King Kamahama for a Hawaian civ?, They are near N.America, off the coast:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=719222

Oh, and one last thing, Unexisted, don't worry about how long it takes, DyP took awile to make to, and look how good that is. This mod, I'm sure of it, will be as good as DyP, when its finished. I can wait, so take all the time you need.

Oh and PS: R8XFT, you mentioned that your using a leaderhead for your own version of the mod, how do you add leaderheads? I may be interested in learning how to mod. That would be fun I'd imagine and interesting.

 

[Unexisted]

Well, I meant time-consuming as in it takes two hours to render on era for a leaderhead. My computer has fiancial material that needs to take those two hours instead of one leaderhead.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I'm sorry, and I understand. I'll look for an existing leaderhead for you so you don't have to make it.

 

[CivArmy s. 1994]

Originally posted by Sword_Of_Geddon
he's working on a animated 3-d Tupi leaderhead(which is about 50-65% complete),.

You people can use my Tupi Civilization in your mod, you can check it on http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=81010

The leaderhead is animated, but not in 3D I have to learn more, untill produce my leaderheads in 3D.

Soon I'll launch another civ, The Eskimos or another cultural group linked with them, maybe you can use this civ too.

Congratulations about the mod.

Civ Army s. 1994

 

[Mobilize]

You've never heard of the Haida, nor the Shoshone.. you must be out of your tree.

The Haida are a large tribe which lived.. and still has a presence in Alaska and all the way down to Washington. They are famous for their resistance against the Russians in Alaska and the Yukon. Hell they are even included in the game American Conquests.

The Shoshone are a large tribe present in the Midwest of the US and played major roles in French colonialism in Louisiana Territory and in the American Manifest Destiny.

Any other tribes you don't know about?

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Originally posted by Mobilize
Any other tribes you don't know about?

Most of them, actually. I'm from Britain, and haven't got the knowledge you have from your background. I'd heard of the Shoshone, but had no detailed knowledge and never heard of the Haida. I'm just someone who's willing to do the pcx's and tech trees etc . That's why I'm reliant on people like yourself who can fill in the knowledge gaps . I am becoming interested in Native American history though and hope to learn as I participate in the mod .

 

[Unexisted]

@R8XFT: I love your new avatar Honored for it to be my leaderhead.

@Mobilize: I don't understand you 'out of the tree' metaphor. I assume you mean insane? When I grew up, we didn't study much about those specific Native American groups. But hey, most people still tell me to grow up

I could name some more I never heard of, but prefer to keep my reputation far from stupid.

I plan on making some generic leaderheads today.

 

[Mobilize]

Oh boy, you outlanders don't understand sarcasm

01) Aztecs - City-building civ from Mexico
02) Maya - City-building civ from Central America
03) Olmec - City-building tribe from Mexico
04) Toltec - City-building tribe from Central America
05) Carib - Large tribe which the Caribbean is named after
06) Inca - City-building civ from Peru
07) Tupi - Large tribe from Patagonia in S. America
08) Arawak - Large tribe in S. America
09) Moche - Large tribe from Northern S. America
10) Mapuche - Large tribe in Southern S. America
11) Chibcha - Large tribe from Northern S. America
12) Iroquois - Confederation of tribes around the Great Lakes
13) Cherokee - Large tribe from Southeastern US, major role in Anti-Colonialism
14) Leni-Lenapes - One of the first tribes encountered by England, around Chesapeake Bay
15) Choctaw - Large tribe from Georgia
16) Creek - Large warlike tribe inbetween Cherokee and Iroquois
17) Shawnee - Large tribe near Creek who moved western
18) Algonquin - Large tribe in Eastern Canada and US
19) Inuit - Expansive tribe from Alaska to Greenland
20) Sioux - Nomadic tribes in Northern US and Southern Canada
21) Apache - Nomadic tribe in Northern Mexico and Southern US
22) Navaho - Large tribe in New Mexico and Arizona
23) Nez Perce - Tribe all over Western US, fought Spanish
24) Ute - Large tribe which popularized Teepees and Utah is named after
25) Shoshone - Large tribe near Utes and Nez Perce
26) Haida - Anti-Russian large tribe along W. Coast of N. America
27) Commanche - Apache-like tribe in Texas and Mexico
28) Natchez - City-building tribe in Texas and Louisiana
29) Pomos - Largest Californian tribal group
30) Cree - Very large tribe in Canada
31) Cheyenne - Very important tribe in Mississippi area

Hope that helps you some. I could explain their significance but it's 2am and I'm tired.

 

[Unexisted]

Remember young inlander, I don't want to test the guillotine.

BTW, Sioux had mohawks?