Nearly all Europeans are in fact Russians...

Does anyone else get this weird 1940's scientific racism / ethno-linguistic nationalist vibe from Domen?

Instead of the Germans it's now Pan-Slavism. Let's leave this crap in the dustbin of history please. Ancient people and tribes migrated, conquered, and assimilated. I wouldn't be too surprised if all Europeans were related one way or another.

It is strange.

I'm not sure Mr Domen is necessarily racist, though. Just that he seems to tread on very thin ice sometimes.
 
Does anyone else get this weird 1940's scientific racism / ethno-linguistic nationalist vibe from Domen?

No, what I get is the same feeling I had one time in Thailand when I was walking through a temple, and next thing I know there's a guide walking beside me, pointing at things and explaining things to me. Except that this time there's a lot more details and it's not a scam. (I don't think)
 
No, what I get is the same feeling I had one time in Thailand when I was walking through a temple, and next thing I know there's a guide walking beside me, pointing at things and explaining things to me. Except that this time there's a lot more details and it's not a scam. (I don't think)

Depends on how you define a scam? Maybe the currency that is desired is not cold hard cash, but he's still trying to sell you a pack of lies.
 
After all, it was the Russians who said that "the illusion which exalts us is dearer to us than ten thousand truths". Then again, I doubt Pushkin said anything about Poles and genetic research, so I guess it's all moot.
 
I was referring to it in general, and it was in response to aelf's post which was asking if it was a scam or not.
 
Early Chinese texts described Indo-Europeans - Scytho-Siberians and Proto-Tocharians - in the following way:

"People who look like monkeys"

Sounds a bit racist, doesn't it ??? For the record - this is how Chinese monkeys look like:

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The reference to monkeys was about light pigmentation of hair and skin among Scytho-Siberians and Tocharians.

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The spread of blond hair is associated today with R1a (or associated with it maternal lineages), while the spread of red hair with R1b.

Data for three steppe cultures which were mostly (9 out of 10 samples) of R1a haplogroup - Andronovo + Tachtyk + Tagar:

1. Hair pigmentation of ancient individuals from those three cultures (when known):

blond or light brown - 6 (60%)
brown - 3
dark brown - 1

2. Y-DNA haplogroups of ancient individuals from those three cultures (when known):

R1a1a - 9 (90%)
C (not C3) - 1 -------------------> individual with C had dark brown hair

3. mtDNA haplogroups of ancient individuals from those three cultures (for everyone):

T3 - 3
H or U - 3
T1 - 2
C - 2
U4 - 2
U5a1 - 1
U2e - 1
H5 - 1
H6 - 1
T2a1b1 - 1
K2b - 1
I4 - 1
G2a - 1
Z1 - 1
HV - 1
F1b - 1
N9a - 1

4. mtDNA of 6 individuals with confirmed blond or light brown hair:

T1 - 2
C - 2
N9a - 1
U5a1 - 1

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The original homeland of Proto-Indo-European speakers was in Eastern Europe between the Ural, Caucasus, the Baltic Sea and the Pontic-Caspian steppe. In accordance with the Kurgan Hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas. As this map shows (plus eastward IE migration towards Chinese borderlands):

http://steppeasia.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/andronovo3.jpg

andronovo3.jpg
 
Everyone go to your nearest gene-bunker in an orderly fashion. Dont take anything with you. We dont know how long it will be but this certainly cant go on forever.
 
There's no escape, but I can give you an R13a exam for 30% less! Just today, find out if you're a closet Slav!
 
The Russian Ministry of Culture already made a movie based on these findings about Russian ancestry: :D

Vladimir Naumov Production
present the film by Artem Lukichev
"Ural" part 1 (about R1a and R1b haplogroups)
the film was made
with financial support
of the Russian Ministry of Culture



Link to video.
 
Tolni,

You forgot about another major Y-DNA haplogroup among Slavic people, which is I2a.

Pre-Slavic part of I2a was probably absorbed by IE steppe invaders from non-IE Neolithic Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (that culture was conquered by people of kurgan cultures). Here more about the Trypillian culture in ancient Ukraine (it was a matriarchal culture, unlike mostly patriarchal kurgan cultures):


Link to video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

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Location of archaeological sites of the Trypillian culture:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gical_sites_Trypillian_culture_in_Ukraine.jpg

Archaeological_sites_Trypillian_culture_in_Ukrai.jpg


http://jomontaro.web.fc2.com/newpage179.html

Trypilla_2.png
 
Yeah and we're all Africans too.

Also fish.
Quite.

As for me, I'm proud to be a descendant of all those fish who (against all odds, and handicapped by their lack of lungs) crawled out of the ocean to conquer dry land — rather than to be the descendant of all those lazy fish who chose to just continue to loaf about in the ocean.

That line of reasoning can be updated and applied for all other assumptions about some place of origin being of special significance. It ain't where you start out that matter all that much, but where you get to.:king:
 
Verbose said:
I'm proud to be a descendant of all those fish who (against all odds, and handicapped by their lack of lungs) crawled out of the ocean to conquer dry land — rather than to be the descendant of all those lazy fish who chose to just continue to loaf about in the ocean. That line of reasoning can be updated and applied for all other assumptions about some place of origin being of special significance. It ain't where you start out that matter all that much, but where you get to.

:) And that's why some time ago in another thread I wrote, that modern Scandinavians are not descendants of Vikings. They are descendants of all those lazy Non-Vikings who actually did not sail out of Scandinavia on drakkars. This is also how Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending explain why modern Scandinavians are so peaceful, compared to all that violence in the Viking Age.

On the other hand, it seems that distance from France / Sweden to Ural is still smaller than distance from Ural to Vladivostok.
 
The Russian Ministry of Culture already made a movie based on these findings about Russian ancestry: :D
Interesting movie, thank's for sharing.
From the description - this is an adaptation of Bashkir epic story, made by private author. Not sure if this is about Russian ancestry, or about anything related to Russians at all, though so far only first part of the movie is published.

Generally, the movie is IMO too metaphorical and difficult to understand by non-specialist - I feel I don't understand about half of allegories there.
 
So being European boils down to being Russian? Or it boils down to being European.
 
:) And that's why some time ago in another thread I wrote, that modern Scandinavians are not descendants of Vikings. They are descendants of all those lazy Non-Vikings who actually did not sail out of Scandinavia on drakkars. This is also how Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending explain why modern Scandinavians are so peaceful, compared to all that violence in the Viking Age.
Quite. Though arguable there might be a distinction to make between the fellers who settled and the fellers who raided. Mobility was the Viking watch-word after all. (Stop moving, and you're not a Viking anymore. You might turn out Norman or somesuch.)

Except of course, the modern Scandinavians are also descended from all these people who moved in from somewhere else.

(In my case a mix of of Scots, Germans and French, apart from the Swedes and Norwegians.)

At the lower end of a person is a foot, not a root.
 
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